2022 MLB General Season Chatter: Ghost Runners On The Half-Billion Dollar Infield

"nobody thinks of the fans who can afford to skip work and take in a day game!"

“They’re really, really behind you around here… my fuckin’ ass. What the fuck am I supposed to do, go out there and let my fuckin’ players get destroyed every day and be quiet about it? For the fuckin’ nickel-dime people who turn up? The motherfuckers don’t even work. That’s why they’re out at the fuckin’ game. They oughta go out and get a fuckin’ job and find out what it’s like to go out and earn a fuckin’ living. Eighty-five percent of the fuckin’ world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A fuckin’ playground for the cocksuckers. Rip them motherfuckers. Rip them fuckin’ cocksuckers like the fuckin’ players. we got guys bustin’ their fuckin’ ass, and them fuckin’ people boo.“

Posnanski just posted a long column on the Cabrera walk (beginning by saying he never should have tweeted, because "Twitter is the enemy of argument"). Great, as always.

Listen, we either die young or live long enough to become counterrevolutionaries.

Also he wrote a book about joe paterno after sandusky so *shrug emoji*

idk why people can’t discern between the kershaw and miggy situations—they’re completely different in pure baseball terms. roberts removed a pitcher who hadn’t given up a base runner yet with an eye towards the future, boone was making a tactical decision to help his team win the game

I didn’t read the Posnanski piece - but I’m not sure why anyone would think it’s a managers job to pander to the fans. Their job is to win games. There’s probably more room for debate with Kershaw - but with Miggy, the fans boo’d because *they* wanted to see hit 3000 in person. He’ll get plenty of chances.

It was an unnecessary sign of respect and poor strategy. Cabrera hadn't been IBB'd since 2020, going back at least 800 PAs -- all with hitters weaker than Meadows behind him!

First base was open. He was walked to load the bases, to open up the possibility of a force play on all four bases, instead of none.

it wasn’t a sign of respect, i think it’s what almost any manager would do in that situation

Also, Kershaw asked to be taken out of the game. He wasn’t begging to stay in and overruled by his advanced stay-addled poindexter manager. He asked to come out because his arm isn’t built up enough. That point keeps getting missed, but if a player asks to come out for injury concerns and you force them to stay in and make history, uh

Baseball is fun and fans want memorable things to happen, but we aren’t entitled to these things any more than some Star Wars fan is entitled to the thousandth rebooted spin off mini series taking place on the fourth moon of Naboo.

boone couldn't take out lhp luke luetge because of the three batter minimum, so walking right-handed miggy to face austin meadows (terrible against lefties in his career) was a sound strategic decision.

Baseball is fun and fans want memorable things to happen, but we aren’t entitled to these things any more than some Star Wars fan is entitled to the thousandth rebooted spin off mini series taking place on the fourth moon of Naboo.

― Karl Malone, Friday, April 22, 2022 10:23 AM (four hours ago)

this is technically true but i disagree w/ it in spirit. there is a symbiotic relationship between baseball (or any sport) as a game of competition and as a product of entertainment. there will be no fans if there isn't something at stake (championships), but also if the game isn't fun to watch the fans will leave and there will be nothing to sustain the competition (taking this to its logical extreme). so it's in baseball's best interest to care about whether it is harmful to the sport for i.e. pitchers to be pulled in the 7th inning when they have no hitters. i agree w/ voodoo chili that the boone/cabrera argument doesn't hold as much water bcuz aaron boone doesn't manage the tigers, but one of the main things that differentiates baseball from football and basketball is the importance of records and the overall historical context of the sport. it's true that fans can't "expect" managers to care about this stuff bcuz after all they get paid to win not paid to caretake the sport, but thousands of individual decisions have been made by people who get paid to win that have led to baseball being sent into an efficiency death spiral. the league has some control over this and have taken some small measures like requiring RPs to pitch to a certain amount of batters, experimenting w/ pitch clocks etc. things like the kershaw and cabrera cases are more existential than tweaking rules, but i actually don't think it's crazy for fans to expect ppl broadly in charge of the sport including owners and managers to think of things like, how do we make our fans (of the team and the sport) happy? how do we make this sport fun? what is enjoyable about coming to the park or turning on the TV? is it a bunch of RPs throwing 100 mph or is it clayton kershaw going for a no hitter? the owners have always been dickheads of course but i do think managers in i.e. the 70s cared about baseball as a sport beyond what you get out of your typical current day manager. if everyone who makes decisions in baseball passes the buck and says "well look my job is to win a championship" then i think eventually baseball is going to keep moving towards a point where it's no longer a thing lots of ppl in america care about, bcuz as a game it is less compelling than football or basketball to most ppl and it's only being pushed further in that direction. i don't think it's unreasonable to "expect" managers to think about these things because in a very literal sense they are stewards of the game

tragedy of the commons strikes again

this has been playing out in miami recently because they have been batting jazz chisholm ninth and platooning him against lefties despite him having a good season and being quite literally the only reason you might want to pay attention to a marlins game at any point when the team is at bat. of course, mattingly has his answers about how it doesn't matter if you bat first or sixth or ninth and how he has players who make sense as part of a platoon, but for the fans it falls on deaf ears because they're essentially doing everything they can to reduce the amount of times the most (only) exciting player on the team is involved in the game. the marlins *of all teams* should be thinking very hard about what interests the ppl who for some reason are their fans, but of course nobody is actually paid to think that way they're only paid to think about how to win 77 games. (they finally batted jazz first last night and he crushed a homer)

I've seen very good arguments for taking Kershaw out--I singled out one of Sheehan's--but with both Kershaw and Cabrera, I find the "their job is to win" the weakest of all. The Dodgers win probability going into the 8th inning of the perfect game was 99%; their win probability after the reliever let the first guy reach base was still 99%. With Cabrera (from Posnanski),

Using general data — which assumes that Cabrera and Matthews have roughly the same chance of getting a hit — the Yankees’ win percentage actually went DOWN after the walk, from 12.6% to 11.9%.

If you happen to know Tom Tango and ask him to dig as deeply as possible into the data, you could make the case that the Yankees’ chance to win ticked up the tiniest bit from 8.7% to 8.9%.

If you take the latter statistical breakdown precisely — and, let’s be honest, you really can’t — that would mean that if the Yankees and Tigers had that exact same situation ONE THOUSAND TIMES, then walking Miguel Cabrera would win New York...two more games.

In other words, from a pure strategy perspective, it was too close to call.

Kershaw getting injured, that I understand; strategically, I think both moves were basically meaningless.

(Also don't find Posnanski's analysis exactly "counter-revolutionary," by which I assume you mean a guy who's oblivious to analytics--Posnanski is most definitely not that.)

i find myself routinely deciding not to watch a ballgame mainly because i don’t often have 4 hours to kill but also it must be said a large proportion of that time is spent on the tedium of watching endless foul balls, swings and misses, ground balls into the shift, pitchers taking off their hats, wiping their foreheads, taking off their gloves, rubbing the ball, stepping off for the rosin bag, cleaning their cleats, doing self-acupuncture, it’s maddening. my kids certainly can’t hold their concentration on it for more than 10 minutes. unless they remember how fun it is to clown bobby dalbec, then they strap in

i take all those points, especially "thousands of individual decisions have been made by people who get paid to win that have led to baseball being sent into an efficiency death spiral"

i understand the wish, hoping that kershaw would stay in or that miggy could get an opportunity at hitting his 3000th with 2 runners in scoring position and a tie game.

miggy situation i could be bent, i guess. when i was watching, i thought that was his last chance in front of a home crowd for a while. realizing that his next game was a home game took away that factor.

i was also having a weird fake conversation between the pitcher and miggy, during the game. in this fake conversation the pitcher sees miggy before the game and he's like, "listen man, i respect you, but i don't want to go down in the history books as the guy who threw 3000 to you. i'm a rookie. i need to make a name for myself. so i respect you but i'm not gonna groove you anything". then miggy spits on the ground, and swipes the dust across the ground with his cleats, and he goes, "i earned every single one of those 2,999 hits. and you better believe i'm going to earn 3000 off of your ass today, rookie", and the rookie is startled but has even more respect for him. miggy get the 3000th hit, and as the crowd goes wild the rookie thinks about what he learned out there today.

this is dumb as fuck, what i'm saying, but maybe in a small way miggy would want his 3000th hit to not come in a situation where they're doing him a favor. or who knows, maybe baseball is all about favors or intuition or forecast, knowing where to look, guess hitters, dumb luck, and you take every fucking chance you can get.

anyway, i'll be watching the next tigers game

don't feel bad for those thursday fans in attendance because he hit 3 hits the game before that and no way anyone holding tickets for friday thought that was coming the night before

tbh i think analytics *has* destroyed baseball -- its findings are interesting af, but in practice things were better when every nanosecond of the game wasn't strictly micromanaged

cat's out of the bag now, tho -- you can't make teams/managers act stupidly. so it's a matter of changing the incentives, and unfortunately we're nowhere near there being any incentives for reds/pirates/a's/o's to spend money

much respect to certain little things tho -- like the royals breaking camp with bobby witt rather than gaming him, or the nats signing nelson cruz

(none of this has anything to do with the kershaw/miggy situations -- both are entirely defensible, especially the latter. it's not like boone walked miggy four times yesterday, or that miggy now won't reach 3000! it'll just be in front of a slightly different group of fans)

i kind of feel lonely in really enjoying baseball right now! i seriously watch every game, i love it

anyway, don't get me wrong - i was watching both the kershaw moment and the miggy moment, and i wanted both of them to happen, badly. i'm not trying to downplay that. i'm just not outraged or anything. i mean, there was a triple play the other day. come on. every time a big moment almost happens and it doesn't, there's another moment that probably should not have happened but did anyway

for example, that jazz chisholm HR was hilarious because seconds before he hit it, he was taking forever to get back in the batters box, and i think the umpire said something, and yadi said something (i need to watch the jomboy on this -- don't jump to the conclusion that yadi was being a dick - i think in this case he actually did chisholm a favor?) but anyways then chisholm crushes a HR and is very happy about it and does a little dance before touching home plate. and then the two cardinals announcers (especially jim edmonds, who is by far the most vacant man i have ever listened to for more than 10 hours) were like "whoa. whoa now.", and edmonds was like "in the 90s...let me tell you. in my opinion, in the 90s, when i was playing...whoa. that would not have happened. there would be consequences", shit like that.

in other words, all of that was amazing, fuck jim edmonds, and that could not have happened before

Jazz is a lot of fun to watch, and also has got great style.

For the most part I love the slower, more deliberate / cerebral nature of the game.

which assumes that Cabrera and Matthews have roughly the same chance of getting a hit

ridiculous argument given that the entire point of the walk was that they didn't have roughly the same chance of getting a hit. meadows (assuming he means meadows and not "matthews" here) has been hitting under .200 against LHP since 2019 with a 54 wRC+. he's been a straight up bad hitter since then and he's still that bad, his 2022 numbers are just inflated by BABIP. absolute no-brainer walking virtually anyone to get to a guy who is that bad against lefties. boone was right to treat miggy as a bigger threat because he is an objectively a bigger threat. sloppy rant from joe who knows better, i can only assume he just willfully ignored that part to make his argument.

and i don't think mattingly batting jazz 9th had anything to do with strategy in the face of waning fan interest, he was just doing that because he's a hopeless moron who shouldn't be in charge of a team

Agh, the entire point of the walk was because first base was open! There were runners on second and third. If a ground ball was hit in that situation, the only force out is at first base. That’s why you IBB and load the bases - it creates a force out at every base. This is particularly true when it’s a close game and you’re trying to prevent one run from scoring - you don’t care about the extra (third) run on first base, you’re trying to get one out.

There is also a trade off between facing miggy and the next batter, but the loading the bases / force out thing is much more important imo

you also instantly raise the batting average of the next guy to the plate and increase pressure on the pitcher. not a fan

Just read about Nestor Cortes' immaculate inning the other day...After 2 starts and 9.1 innings, he's given up 6 hits and one walk, and he's struck out 17.

All he needs now is a nickname. Cortes, Cortes...can't think of anything.

Nestor the … oh no…

...what a Killer

Cortes the Killer, for sure.

officially it's Nasty Nestor

a real close one in wrigley tonight

A three touchdown lead for the bears

and only one homer!

Rays lost their combined no-hitter in the tenth inning, which makes me think that with the ghost runner, you could potentially throw a perfect game for ten innings yet still lose the game.

Watching Marlins-Braves tonight, and wow is Jazz Chisholm fun to watch, and best name in the game too. 4 hits and 2 steals tonight and he doesn't look like he's even trying hard.

https://i.giphy.com/media/UwlX8g3HF8Uec/giphy.gif

https://www.mlb.com/news/guardians-yankees-ugly-fan-behavior-in-ninth-inning

respect to judge and stanton for doing what they did

love this breakdown. jomboy speaks for me on this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFffJpUEmNY

whoa

BYRON BUXTON 469 FOOT BLAST FOR THE WALK OFF!

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Reds finally won a game! After losing 11 in a row.

Wow that was a big home run. Also that stadium looks surprisingly empty.

Can't imagine KM is happy, but that was some incredible Mets 9th inning magic/luck tonight against the Cards. Down to their last strike, an Arenado error leads to five unearned runs, including a 2-RBI infield single where Dom Smith won the race to first base. The fans were all standing up waiting for that last strike/out for like 10-15 minutes, and it never came.

yeah, that was a wild one. have to say, i had written the game off as a loss as soon as i saw scherzer was starting, anyway. the arenado error was one thing, but worse was the backbreaking 2-run hit where Goldschmidt caught it but Gallegos got beat to first.

it was a good game, though!

Yeah, it was quite a pitchers duel that until the last two innings. What a great game. Mets broadcasters were very into it.

I happened to catch the end of that Mets game, great comeback and Arenado unlikely error.

Some great games today. Burnes was two hitting the Giants and I already had it in the loss column. He's taken out and a fan was hackling Joc Pederson and he steps out of the box, then hits a mammoth home run. The Brewers came back to tie the score but the Giants end up winning, unbelievable. The Giants are already looking really good.

bee ok is tsunami el gallo (carlos martinez's true name) gonna pitch soon? he was a huge favorite of mine, always rooting for him

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