Doctor Who: Classic or Dud?

This Ncuti Gatwa news really does definitively prove that there's an affirmative action bias in the BBC's casting.

I mean, a fourth Scottish Doctor?!

Oh and Eve of the Daleks is good fun too.

gallifrey is is clearly in scotland the clue is in the name

Concur with skipping Chibnall except MAYbe Fugitive Of The Judoon, although if you've been told to watch it specifically because of its big secret twist, you're probably covered.

It's always been the way with NuWho that the outgoing showrunner never has a say in casting the next Doctor after they've gone

Always = twice :) (and it's been the outgoing person's choice.)

But yeah, of course RTD has cast his own Doctor. Who else would have?

Rumour has it the outgoing showrunner was told to make sure the sort didn’t hit his arse on the way out the door, and of course RTD was on Insta this morning with a cryptic post which simply read: ❤️❤️➕🟦

That is definitely two hearts and a blue box.

And I can think of better ways to say "don't let the door hit your arse" than "please come back for another year just to make a big anniversary special episode with lots of promotion," but I guess I don't have the executive mind.

amazing "first photocall" energy here, even without the last three disasters

Ncuti and Russell hit the red carpet!#BAFTATV #DoctorWho pic.twitter.com/1dlbGj9LP8

— lizo mzimba (@lizo_mzimba) May 8, 2022

two short videos: casting kept secret since Feb and go off 👑

seems cool and i trust rusty

strangely low key announce tho?

Low key preferable to special show with Zoe Ball. Perhaps they were heading off a leak?

OTOAH announcing at and overshadowing the BAFTAs is not super low-key! When news travels this quickly the inciting incident doesn't have to that big, I guess

thanks everyone for the episode recs, or non-recs rather, lol. will check out Fugitive of the Judoon. might read some recaps of Flux.

They did not announce at the BAFTAs, they announced (with ❤️❤️➕🟦) on Gatwa’s instagram, which has more followers than the Easter special had overnight viewers.

(did RTD delete the obvious/cryptic post? just looked and I can’t see it)

I mean, a fourth Scottish Doctor?!

The Time Laird

hahaha

Is there going to be a continuation of the semi Edwardian/turn of the 20th century clothing style(s) that seem to have been traditional with Doctors up to Jodie Whittaker or what. Do wonder what Ncuti's style's going to be. Do love frock coats but wonder if he's going to wear something more revealing. Could see some Yinka Shonibare influence creeping in not being a bad thing either. Waxed cotton recreations of historic styles .

& when do we get to find out. Is he in before next year.

good questions! i am v curious about the clothes as well

people have been posting this picture of him from sex education where he looks like he's wearing Colin Baker's old jacket

https://medias.spotern.com/spots/w640/292/292687-1579688121.jpg

lol otis in this picture

Otis would make a good assistant tbh

There's some good examples of that Yinke Shonibare stuff in here
http://homework.sdmesa.edu/drogers/Art%20115/shonibare%20reading.pdf

hope it wouldn't come off as gimmicky. & have heard a backlash against the colonial history of waxed cotton or at least the system which lead to it being imported from Dutch firms. I just think it looks amazing so have used it for shirts and one pair of trousers. Meant to do more, including a frockcoat but not done anything in a while.

Is there going to be a continuation of the semi Edwardian/turn of the 20th century clothing style(s) that seem to have been traditional with Doctors up to Jodie Whittaker or what.

good questions!

not sure I agree 100% with your police work there tbh

https://i.imgur.com/Ssn3YDt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vOhlhwX.jpg

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not going to engage. have a very low opinion of the individual already
I've watched Doctor who since I was a small child and hate the idea that somebody I don't really want to know's ego is getting in the way of me being able to talk about it on a chatlist .

You are free to post whatever you want and if, as in this case, you're talking complete bollocks, then sic is free to (very politely, I thought) point that out. It's a free world!

Pretty obvious gaslighting but I'm sure you can believe what you want. I mean you tend to anyway. A little creepy possibly.

I thought Tom Baker was best known for costumes based on late 19th century suits matched with a massively long scarf. At least until he gets a new look in the 80s where he gets ?marks on his shirt lapels and seems to slip back a long way in the rest of his clothing style
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/The_Fourth_Doctor_%286097263309%29.jpg/800px-The_Fourth_Doctor_%286097263309%29.jpg
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/976x549_b/p01q93j6.jpg
it's certainly something I've seriously enjoyed about him . & knowing clothing eras that's what and when I place that. Long frockcoat and drainpipe trousers. Went through some pretty tasty suits.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/976x549_b/p01q93l6.jpg

I had pictured both Peter Capaldi and Matt Smith in long Edwardian frockcoats and find they were wearing them for quite a while. Smith has his throughout series 7 and Capaldi has a few different colours which he appears to couple at times with some more casual styles of underclothing, . So am a little surprised to be being told these can't have existed. I can see photos of them.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/976x549_b/p04zmk5n.jpg
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/976x549_b/p03908f9.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/25/8a/11/258a1168135269e3e912391052717b46.jpg

lol @ the idea anyone on this board would go toe-to-toe with stevolende on fashion bricolage

Variations on Edwardian clothing have been pretty common for many doctors: to various extents Doctors 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 11 and 12 all wore outfits inspired by it.

Sad to say I have been fired from Doctor Who. pic.twitter.com/BKjyIxJBJ5

— Curtis (@Curtis_Cook) May 14, 2022

There appears to be knowing commentary included in a way that makes me wonder if that is completely on the level suggested.
So could see that being a joke as much as an actual dismissal.

The time travel bit is probably a giveaway too. Well wouldn't that be a handy job taking service. YOu get to send yourself back a message seeing how well you're enjoying your new work position. & warning you not to go forward with the dodgy behaviour even if it is principled.

sorry for spoiler should have been more like this if the concerns touched on in the joke are already being recognised wonder to what extent they need to rethink the character. Hadn't really thought about the background, hidden elements of character building when an existing character regenerates in a totally differently culturally statused way. Presumably similar things happened when the straight white male became female. Though wonder if previous writing team did reflect day to day concerns.
I remember jokes being told about the idea of a black James Bond not being able to get through his day to day existence without running into constant problems with police etc over things like the car he's driving or the area he's seen to be walking through. Which would make things a hindrance to the extent that his job would be undoable. Not sure to what extent that would carry over to an alien in whatever situations they are in. If there are levels of acceptibility for a white male presence or a female one that aren't there for a black man. Will look forward to finding out how this works out. If it is addressed at all. I would hope things would be becoming progressively better but seems like the last few years have had people trying to push things the other way.

Seriously hoping that eengagement with assumed ethnicity is going to be something other than there is a joke to be made here so we better make it. Hoping for some more nuanced subtlety. But I guess it's a popular tv show so hope there is some hope.

the address and telephone number makes me think the whole thing is fake

(bbc logo also wrong)

take a look at the meeting dates, I couldn't see them on my first look. They just blurred.

I also thought, apart from that. If the new doctor has just been announced was there much time to be writing for him befoehand. So when were the meetings this guy apparently behaved in inappropriate ways. Like I mean everybody knows the Tardis is real and all teh writing for teh show is done in real time in sidereal pocket universes and things. But there has to be some tie in to reality at some point. Or not, since it ain't real.

Are we really looking at something that says “Black Doctor puts the BBC in BBC” and wondering whether it’s serious

omg I just read the rest of it, loooooool

jesus christ stevolende, of course that is a joke.

i do however agree with you on the edwardian clothing stuff

XP I do trust that if there is a black Doctor there is an adequately diverse writing team dealing with what a black skinned alien would have to deal with on a daily basis. Just like I hope there was a writing team that understood the female experience for the last incarnation.
Hope we are moving away from the white male gaze like.
Hope that is coupled with an ability to write though.

Did wonder if the dismissal letter was writing from an overly white gaze and not understanding how a Doctor as a non monolithic individual would really see things.

Also wondering about the incarnation in a very different skin or gender is experienced. If a person is actually going to understand what it is like to be another person or if they are always going to be an individual in the wrong skin. Like a transexual is trying to find the body that fits themselves as they perceive themselves better. I had the thought when studying philosophy 20 years ago and we were talking about THomas Nagel's What is It Like To Be A Bat and how possible it was to understand what the consciousness of a very different being would be, if it was actually possible. I thought it was always going to be difficult because one was never going to actually fully inhabit the existence of the other being one was trying to imagine the consciousness of. Like one would always be there as a visitor, not resident.

Thanks AKM

Looking forward to seeing how this is handled.

steveolende, that letter is written by a twitter comedy shitposter, it is very clearly very funny (and gets funnier) as you read on....

Yeah, Curtis Cook is a stand-up/tv writer from the Pacific Northwest.

So you mean it isn't written by Russell Davis in November of this year. & they don't really have time travel so it actually isn't real.

Hadn't come across Cook before.

Somehow had the idea that Cook might be a character invented as an in joke by the writing team which put a weird spin on things.
THough really not sure when writing is going to start for this, if there is still one more Jodie isn't there?

someone will know better than me but i think there's another special in August. maybe the new year show will be the regeneration.

imdb had a centenary special in 2022 with Jodie (and ace and tegan) and then 14.1 with the new bloke in nov 2023

So we've got another year and a bit before we can get Ncuti to give us a spin. Want to know what his style's like . & if he is a woke Afro-Galifreyan or if the idea of wokeness is going to be a stereotypical trope that is best avoided instead of the nuanced thing it started out as. The way of navigating one's way through the levels of other people's consciousness etc.

Did think the hair colour he had during the announcement might lead to him rethinking that and becoming the first ginger doctor. But that might just be a stage too far.

twirl probably better than spin.

New special announced on rtd’s insta

Also some information on the BBC - I really liked these two together in their season, but RTD ground most of my fondness for this Doctor to dust by the end.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2022/doctor-who-david-tennant-and-catherine-tate-return

I always wondered if RTD stole “I don’t want to go” from Reaper Man. Not that it’s not a common phrase obvs