Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

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one of these passages is from a book by @TuckerCarlson and the other is from the manifesto of the white supremacist shooter who killed 10 people today pic.twitter.com/sViHxcD3dC

— Current Affairs (@curaffairs) May 14, 2022

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 14 May 2022 23:06 (one year ago) link

The right’s gonna blame this on mental illness but this guy seems pretty damn articulate to me

Who am I kidding, clearly this is the fault of uhhh pronouns

frogbs, Sunday, 15 May 2022 00:49 (one year ago) link

here's the headline I see:

At least 10 dead, 3 hurt in Buffalo supermarket shooting; Gov. Hochul blames 'white supremacist'

pretty gross phrasing. guy literally had a Nazi manifesto, why put "white supremacist" in quotes like that? why imply it's the mayor who came to this conclusion? fucking cowards.

frogbs, Sunday, 15 May 2022 02:16 (one year ago) link

yeah, this is white supremacist terrorism. the only people who would want to obscure this are people sympathetic to his aims.

treeship., Sunday, 15 May 2022 02:21 (one year ago) link

she should pin that directly on elise stefanik

mookieproof, Sunday, 15 May 2022 02:22 (one year ago) link

(this is maybe better for the copyeditors & grammar fiends thread but) couldnt you argue the opposite with that headline, that putting it in quotes makes it clear that the governor chose to use the words "white supremacist"? like if it said governor blames white supremacist without the quotes, it could potentially be interpreted to mean that the governor referred to a person who the headliner writer is identifying as a white supremacist, but it wouldnt necessarily be clear if the governor referred to them as such? idk

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Sunday, 15 May 2022 03:17 (one year ago) link

i mean whatever who cares, ignore that, sorry its late & i'm a bit frazzled

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Sunday, 15 May 2022 03:24 (one year ago) link

well sure but why mention the governor at all, it's clear what this kid was, and where he got it from. Just say it was a white supremacist shooting.

frogbs, Sunday, 15 May 2022 03:29 (one year ago) link

The shooting is “racially charged”

DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 15 May 2022 07:43 (one year ago) link

Thred:

A manifesto has been published on /pol, credibly claiming to be written by the guy who carried out this attack.

It's a standard fascist "white genocide" rant, filled with 4channy in-jokes, ala the Christchurch shooter. Most obviously he gives Sam Hyde's picture as his own. https://t.co/1pDejN9tsW

— Robert Evans (The Only Robert Evans) (@IwriteOK) May 14, 2022

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Sunday, 15 May 2022 13:07 (one year ago) link

One right-wing guy I know has already tied to tell me the shooter is a "leftist," and when I pressed him on it, it came back to "Hitler was a socialist ..."

I grew up down the interstate from Buffalo and both my siblings went to college there, very very sad about this. It's so horrible.

The full cycle of complete hypocritical denial can’t even begin in earnest until Carlson goes on air to give a 20 minute white grievance angle on how the guy who did it is essentially someone who listens to people like him and believes him

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 15 May 2022 15:23 (one year ago) link

I have conflicted feelings about the way this sort of event is reported. On one hand, by posting the video and manifesto you're effectively rewarding his crime and delivering the fame that the killer wants; on the other, by not showing it you're somewhat downplaying just how extremely horrible the crime was and allowing shitbags like Carlson to claim he wasn't really a right-wing terrorist

Obviously fuck this dude and though not shocking, still a little incredible that he survived but ofc the cops didn't kill him

Nhex, Sunday, 15 May 2022 15:40 (one year ago) link

And calls to not post about these type of crimes seem to increase the farther right the Overton window goes. It's almost as if some people want to downplay the links (sometimes literal) between right-wing terrorism and modern conservatism.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Sunday, 15 May 2022 15:49 (one year ago) link

carlson and the rightwing as a whole aren't hiding the great replacement at all:

On Tucker, JD Vance invokes the great replacement conspiracy theory: "Democrat politicians who have decided that they cant win re-election in 2022 unless they bring in a large number of new voters to replace the voters that are already here" pic.twitter.com/LWR1D0ctTa

— nikki mccann ramírez (@NikkiMcR) March 18, 2022

there are multiple gop candidates this year running on the great replacement, among other things.

here's the chilling reality of america right now, imo: the fact that the GOP is openly pushing Great Replacement "theory" is something that should be screamed, every single day, so that absolutely no one can miss it, even the great majority of people who paying no attention whatsoever. but in this country, right now, there is a very strong chance that by drawing more attention to it, tens of millions of people will develop a strong attraction to it and double-down on it because, of course, anything that pisses the left off is a good thing for them, as politicians, as presidents, as people.

(note, xp to nhex: i'm not talking about sharing the video itself or the "manifesto", i don't think those are the things to share widely)

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 15 May 2022 16:13 (one year ago) link

i know some people don't click on vice links, so here's the text so you don't have to give them $0.00000001 click bux. it was published on May 10.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7nxmk/gop-great-replacement-theory

When Wisconsin Republican Sen. Ron Johnson was recently asked on Fox News about immigration reform, he floated a conspiracy theory that’s quickly becoming gospel on the right: that Democrats want a flood of immigrants to remake America and keep them in power.

“This administration wants complete open borders. And you have to ask yourself, why?” Johnson asked during an April 15 appearance with Larry Kudlow, suggesting an idea that has its roots in white nationalism. “Is it [that] really they want to remake the demographics of America to ensure that they stay in power forever?”

He’s far from the only Republican who espouses these beliefs. And he may soon have more colleagues in the Senate who believe that Democrats’ plan is to import enough eventual voters to take over control of the electorate for good: At least a half-dozen Republican Senate candidates have voiced similar sentiments on the campaign trail in recent weeks, a sign of how mainstream and deeply ingrained in modern Republican orthodoxy this conspiracy theory has become.

It’s similar to, though not exactly the same as, the “great replacement” theory, a white supremacist conspiracy theory that’s been popularized by the alt-right over the past decade. The theory posits that non-white immigrants are trying to replace white, native-born citizens in the U.S. and Europe by flooding into those countries and having more children than the native population. Many adherents of this false, racist theory claim it’s being orchestrated by a secret cabal of wealthy elites—often Jews.

Most Republican candidates aren’t going that deep into the fever swamps—but are pushing a similar claim, swapping in Democrats for elites and focusing on political domination instead of cultural replacement. That so many statewide candidates who may soon have the national stage are pushing this conspiracy theory shows the political potency they see in this message—and will further entrench it in the pantheon of conspiracies believed by a significant portion of conservatives.

An Associated Press-NORC poll released on Monday showed that fully one-third of Americans, and almost half of Republicans, believe that “there is a group of people in this country who are trying to replace native-born Americans with immigrants who agree with their political view.”

“There’s what you could call a partisan variation of the Great Replacement theory, a partisan argument that sounds similar but isn’t quite the same, that Democrats are letting in migrants to become Democratic voters and control the country that way,” said Mark Pitcavage, of the Anti-Defamation League. “And then there's the broad great replacement argument itself, which basically is that nonwhites are coming in to replace whites. That’s the one that’s most connected to white supremacy and the most problematic.”

Ohio GOP Senate nominee J.D. Vance, who won his primary last Tuesday, argued on multiple occasions over the past month that the reason President Biden wanted to end Title 42, which automatically sends immigrants who cross the border back to Mexico, was because he and Democrats see them as guaranteed future votes.

At a late-April town hall, Vance claimed that lifting Title 42 would mean 250,000 immigrants entering the U.S. every month, allowing Democrats to import 10 million to 15 million future voters, 70 percent of whom he claimed, without offering evidence, would vote Democratic.

“So you’re talking about a shift in the democratic makeup of this country that would mean we never win, meaning Republicans would never win a national election in this country ever again,” Vance said in Portsmouth, Ohio.

He’s even put it in his campaign advertising.

“Are you a racist? Do you hate Mexicans?” Vance asked with a smirk in one ad that his team released last month. “The media calls us racist for wanting to build Trump’s wall. They censor us, but it doesn’t change the truth. Joe Biden’s open border is killing Ohioans, with more illegal drugs and more Democrat voters pouring into this country.”

Vance’s primary win last week makes him the favorite to replace retiring GOP Sen. Rob Portman in Republican-leaning Ohio.

Vance got a big early boost in his race from billionaire PayPal founder Peter Thiel, who gave $10 million to his super PAC. Thiel’s other major campaign investment was to his former employee Blake Masters, who’s running for Senate in Arizona. Masters has floated similar rhetoric for months.

“The Democrats want to change the demographics of this country,” Masters said on a podcast in late April. “They think that if they can bring in millions and millions and millions of illegal aliens, someday they'll be able to grant them amnesty to grant them citizenship and make them reliable Democrat voters. I think it's an electoral plan.”

“If you connect the dots as a candidate for office and say, ‘Look, obviously the Democrats, they hope to just change the demographics of our country, they hope to import an entirely new electorate,’ man, they call you a racist and a bigot,” Masters said on another podcast a few days later.

Masters has been pushing rhetoric like this for months, claiming in an October video that Democrats want to “change the demographics of this country” in order to “consolidate power so they can never lose another election.”

Vance’s closest rival in his primary, former Ohio Treasurer Josh Mandel, was more explicit in embracing the “great replacement” theory. Mandel, who is Jewish, claimed on multiple occasions without offering any evidence that efforts to expand immigration were being funded by George Soros, a frequent bogeyman for anti-Semites who claim Jews are behind Great Replacement efforts. At one September rally, Mandel claimed that the plot was to have immigrants move in and out-breed native Americans and “use their constitution and use their laws against them.”

“What Biden is doing at the border, which I think is funded by Soros and coordinated by the Obama cabal, they're intentionally violating the rule of law. They're trampling the rule of law and they're intentionally flouting the border,” he said on Breitbart News last October. “This is about changing the face of America, figuratively and literally. They are trying to change our culture, change our demographics and change our electorate. This is all about power.”

Other GOP Senate candidates have voiced similar views in recent weeks. Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt, who’s running for the Senate, claimed on Glenn Beck’s show in late April that Democrats “are fundamentally trying to change this country through their illegal immigration policy.”

Former Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens, one of Schmitt’s primary opponents, recently claimed that “Joe Biden's policies are an assault on the entire idea of America” and that the president is “wiping out the distinction between citizens and non-citizens, and he's doing it on purpose.”

This isn’t new to American politicians, either. Iowa GOP Rep. Steve King’s 2017 tweet that “We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies,” and this rhetoric isn’t that different from that used by nativist conservatives from Pat Buchanan in the 1990s to Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo in the 2000s to some of former President Donald Trump’s rhetoric on the campaign trail and in the White House.

But it’s become an increasingly common talking point over the past year—with Fox News’ Tucker Carlson playing a key role.

“I know that the left and all the little gatekeepers on Twitter become literally hysterical if you use the term ‘replacement’ if you suggest that the Democratic Party is trying to replace the current electorate—the voters now casting ballots—with new people, more obedient voters from the Third World. But they become hysterical because that’s what’s happening actually. Let’s just say it. That’s true,” Carlson declared last April.

A few days later, Pennsylvania GOP Rep. Scott Perry claimed in a committee hearing that many Americans were concerned that “we’re replacing national-born Americans, native-born Americans to permanently transform the landscape of this very nation.”

Carlson went even further in September, claiming Biden wanted to “reduce the political power of people whose ancestors lived here and dramatically increase the proportion of Americans newly arrived from the Third World,” before explicitly using the term “great replacement.”

A handful of Republicans defended Carlson’s comments then, including Florida GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz:

.@TuckerCarlson is CORRECT about Replacement Theory as he explains what is happening to America.

The ADL is a racist organization. https://t.co/32Vu60HrJK

— Matt Gaetz (@mattgaetz) September 25, 2021

This theory, which largely focuses on Latino immigrants, ignores the reality that immigrants are far from monolithic in their political views, as well as the fact that non-citizens cannot vote in the U.S. Republicans, including Trump, have also pushed a related but different conspiracy theory for years that non-citizen immigrants vote in huge numbers.

It’s also ironic that this GOP rhetoric is resurgent from GOP candidates now, given that Republicans made massive gains in some Latino and Asian-American communities during the last election. Tejano-heavy South Texas, a Democratic bastion for generations, swung hard to the right in 2020—some counties swung as much as 50 points towards the GOP. Miami-Dade County in south Florida, which has a massive population of Cuban-Americans, gave Joe Biden just a seven-point win in 2020 after breaking for Hillary Clinton by a 30-point margin in 2016.

“Using identity politics like this is dangerous and extreme,” said GOP strategist Leslie Sanchez, the author of Los Republicanos.

Sanchez added that candidates who incorrectly assume immigrants are “all zombies that are going to vote collectively” threaten the inroads that Republicans are making with Latinos.

Extremism experts warn great replacement rhetoric has inspired violence against immigrants and Jews—and the more it is mainstreamed, the more dangerous it becomes.

At the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville in 2017, tiki torch-wielding white supremacists chanted “You will not replace us” and “Jews will not replace us,” just one day before they rioted. The murderers who killed 11 worshippers at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life Synagogue in 2018 and 23 mostly Mexican-American shoppers in El Paso, Texas in 2019 promoted versions of the theory, as did the man who shot up two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand in 2019.

“A lot of people are articulating this conspiracy theory, which is not only unfair to Democrats but more importantly dangerous for immigrants,” said Pitcavage. “Given this atmosphere, this miasma of hate and intolerance, it doesn’t take much to push someone over the cliff, where they’ll act on this.”

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 15 May 2022 16:21 (one year ago) link

An Associated Press-NORC poll released on Monday showed that fully one-third of Americans, and almost half of Republicans, believe that “there is a group of people in this country who are trying to replace native-born Americans with immigrants who agree with their political view.”

the murderer in buffalo, who knows how tuned in they are to data and polls and shit like that. but, knowing that fully ONE THIRD of the country agrees with him should terrify the other two thirds, and it must be very emboldening for violent racists to look around them and realize "i've got about 100 million americans who agree with me"

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 15 May 2022 16:24 (one year ago) link

Posting it here would be probably over the line, but there is a clip floating around from the stream video of the shooter about to a shoot a white man on the ground, he stops himself and says "Sorry!" and moves on to find other victims.

Nhex, Sunday, 15 May 2022 16:41 (one year ago) link

Jesus Christ

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 15 May 2022 16:49 (one year ago) link

I know it’s not the right thread for it, but the ADL is a racist organization— just not for the reasons that Gaetz believes it is, which are vile

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Sunday, 15 May 2022 17:04 (one year ago) link

a conspiracy theory that’s quickly becoming gospel on the right: that Democrats want a flood of immigrants to remake America and keep them in power

"quickly becoming"? this shit's been gospel among racist right-wingers for decades. it's just a slight variation of Reconstruction era bullshit. the first wave of this stuff goes back to the Know-Nothings.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 15 May 2022 18:51 (one year ago) link

the replacement theory sounds almost the same as the horrible shit my deeply racist Australian uncle used to say about ..well, literally every immigrant Other you could name ie anyone who wasn’t an aging white farmer. It’s terrifying because there is real anger at the heart of it. They just drive around in their car & momentarily seeing *anyone* who doesn’t look like them is enough to make them feel like their point is proven.

And for every shooter is there’s whole communities of people who agree, not even the loud ones who attract attention online, but tenfold more just silently nodding & quietly voting in motherfuckers who fan the flames & make even more of this shit possible.

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 May 2022 19:59 (one year ago) link

Meanwhile, on the west coast...

Orange County Sheriff Reports Shooting With Multiple Victims At A Laguna Woods Church

https://laist.com/news/orange-county-sheriff-reports-a-shooting-with-multiple-victims-at-a-laguna-woods-church

nickn, Sunday, 15 May 2022 22:35 (one year ago) link

Jesus, it never ends. Allegedly another mass shooting just now at a church in Laguna Woods.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 15 May 2022 22:35 (one year ago) link

Thanks, Tipsy.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 16 May 2022 08:48 (one year ago) link

Seeing right wingers trying to just “both sides” things by bringing up the guy who shot at Scalise and others on a baseball field. Ugh.

curmudgeon, Monday, 16 May 2022 11:21 (one year ago) link

one of the saddest things to me is that the buffalo shooting is actually causing a food crisis for the poorest residents, since that's the only real grocery store in that part of the city, which is one of the most segregated & redlined cities in the nation. food banks & community fridges are coming together to do deliveries, but even in normal times their resources are obviously stretched to the limit. its infuriating to see how fragile the food infrastructure remains here in 2022, especially since it didnt need to be a white supremacist terror attack for this to happen, could just as easily have been a gas leak or water main break or anything else to cause one single store to shutter for a week and boom, thousands go hungry.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 16 May 2022 13:20 (one year ago) link

Awful. Have you a link, One Eye? I'd like to share it.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 May 2022 13:21 (one year ago) link

Damn.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 16 May 2022 13:23 (one year ago) link

I found this one.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 May 2022 13:36 (one year ago) link

bless you alfred. Buffalo Community Fridge is doing a lot of good organizing right now, and FeedMoreWNY can always use funds. i'm hearing that some of the community fridges & grassroots orgs have actually halted cash & food donations since theyve become inundated, the real need right now just being warm bodies to organize donations, do deliveries, help elderly people fill their bags, etc. i'm gonna try to knock off work early and go assist.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 16 May 2022 13:46 (one year ago) link

Awesome, thank you for doing that. I work for an aid network in the Hudson Valley and our operations aren't affected by this terrorist attack but speaking generally, we have enough money/donations. What we lack is people with time to drive, shop, deliver. Expecting it to get worst as summer crests and people are away.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Monday, 16 May 2022 16:00 (one year ago) link

That's interesting; in most cases I've heard the opposite, that there's enough volunteers but not enough money with non-profit aid operations.

Nhex, Monday, 16 May 2022 18:46 (one year ago) link

It's good that people are immediately jumping on Tucker and the rest of the ghouls at FOX for platforming the exact ideas that led this guy to do this but uh...what are the chances an 18 year old is actually watching FOX News? Is it not infinitely more likely that he got this shit from 4chan, Stormfront, Discord, maybe even Reddit?

frogbs, Monday, 16 May 2022 22:45 (one year ago) link

Maybe it’s a trickle-down perspective?

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 16 May 2022 22:47 (one year ago) link

I just found out the person killed in the Laguna Woods shooting yesterday was my primary care physician, Dr. John Cheng. Absolute hero. He attacked the gunman and helped save so many in that church. I just wanted his name to be known. He will be missed. pic.twitter.com/jAW8LvpmaB

— Johnny Stanton (@johnnystantoniv) May 16, 2022

I’ve been actively trying to avoid any detailed stuff about the Buffalo shooters manifesto, livestream, etc, but my understanding is he was a 4chan person

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 01:24 (one year ago) link

if you get influenced by anything on /pol then you're just an idiot who shouldn't even be on there.

StanM, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 05:46 (one year ago) link

This killer was a teenager, and it's clear that at least some of his manifesto is classic trickled-down racism from mainstream outlets (Tucker Carlson/Fox)... feel like that distinction between 4chan and the wider internet died by the time Trump got elected. 4chan has already infected the world.

Nhex, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 14:06 (one year ago) link

xp that plays into the “pol isn’t real” idea that everyone on pol is larping, but i think that nine times out of ten people on pol say what they mean and the other times they’re not far off.

bamcquern, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 14:27 (one year ago) link

also a lot of kids come from households where this kind of stuff is accepted

Heez, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 14:31 (one year ago) link

Yeah, Daddy bought this fuck one of his guns as a 16th birthday present — let's hear a whole lot more from the media about that.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 14:59 (one year ago) link

Insane that someone who can't buy a six pack of Schlitz can easily buy an assault rifle

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 19:32 (one year ago) link

"Online, he raged against Black, Hispanic and Jewish people — and then logged off to hang out with his closest friend, Matthew Casado, who is Hispanic and whose girlfriend is Black. Seven weeks before the Buffalo attack, Mr. Gendron celebrated Mr. Casado’s 19th birthday at a Mexican restaurant with Mr. Casado’s family.

Mr. Casado and his girlfriend, Skylar McClain, both said in interviews that Mr. Gendron never let on that he felt such hate.

“He was never racist towards me or around me,” said Mr. Casado, adding: “I was one of the only friends, if not the only friend, he had.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/22/nyregion/broome-county-buffalo-shooting.html

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 22 May 2022 21:19 (one year ago) link

Wtf

Spottie, Sunday, 22 May 2022 22:07 (one year ago) link

"Mr Casado, who is one of the good ones"

Coast to coast, LA to Chicago, Western Mail (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 23 May 2022 08:22 (one year ago) link

" they had been celebrating Casado's recent conversion to Judaism at the Mexican restaurant.."

calzino, Monday, 23 May 2022 08:54 (one year ago) link


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