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I think it's been a great modern noir. My biggest complaint is (similar to BB) everyone acts like James Bond until the story suddenly requires them not to.

Also, it's pretty obvious Lalo is going to be killed and buried (or maybe buried alive) in the poured concrete floor of the meth lab they are building.

PBKR, Thursday, 19 May 2022 11:32 (one year ago) link

i think a lot of us have had kind of enough of half hour shots of making a sandwich now that it's the final season... like, just make with the Heisenberg

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 19 May 2022 12:20 (one year ago) link

please do not make with the Heisenberg

made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 19 May 2022 12:56 (one year ago) link

make out with Heisenberg

mookie wilson shaggin balls (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 May 2022 13:30 (one year ago) link

tbh I complained about the pace of a few prior episodes but I enjoyed the last one. esp the way they keep us in the dark on what Jimmy/Kimmy have planned

mookie wilson shaggin balls (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 May 2022 13:30 (one year ago) link

Maffew otm. It being the last season is what ticks me with the slower speed. Pack it in, we don't have much time left!

Also, compared to the first seasons there is a sense of knowing (at least in spirit) where this is all heading. Feels more of a delaying of the inevitable as opposed to building up something entirely unprecedented a la season 1/2

hrep (H.P), Thursday, 19 May 2022 13:32 (one year ago) link

yeah yknow not literally Heisenberg (though i might've expected just a fun Saul Goodman being a sleazebag lawyer episodes by now)... but let's eat the sandwich. I bet it's a really nice sandwich.

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 19 May 2022 13:43 (one year ago) link

and that Gene guy, what's he up to!

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 19 May 2022 13:44 (one year ago) link

I want to know if Saul saved the toilet that he inherited in his new space

mookie wilson shaggin balls (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 May 2022 13:46 (one year ago) link

is it possible he was sitting on it behind his desk in Breaking Bad?

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 19 May 2022 13:47 (one year ago) link

They showed it in the dumpster in the last ep

Evan, Thursday, 19 May 2022 14:05 (one year ago) link

I can't imagine anything I want less out of this show than Walt and Jesse to casually stroll in for a cameo, even though I know it's going to happen.

BCS > BB

PBKR, Thursday, 19 May 2022 14:06 (one year ago) link

Wouldn’t it be better if this show was worse, because it is nearly finished

gop on ya gingrich (wins), Thursday, 19 May 2022 17:03 (one year ago) link

It's such a masterful act to have slowly set D-Day up as both an exciting + intricate heist-like scam that we can't wait to see unfold and a thing that's probably going to ruin one or more protagonist's lives, maybe forever.

Yeah, Kim turning the car around when she is on the precipice of fulfilling her pro bono/criminal justice dreams and really help people in order to get at Howard is something else.

PBKR, Thursday, 19 May 2022 19:20 (one year ago) link

I'm in the middle of Todd Haynes' Mildred Pierce remake for the fourth or fifth time--just love it, gets better every time I go back. Mildred's boss when she takes her first waitressing job, Mr. Chris, looked familiar, but it took me a while to place him--Hector Salamanca (Mark Margolis)! I think Mr. Chris is supposed to be Greek.

clemenza, Sunday, 22 May 2022 00:17 (one year ago) link

Pretty interesting filmography. His first credit goes back to 1952, one of the network soaps. There's a 24-year gap after that, and his next credit is The Opening of Misty Beethoven, from the chic-porn era. Also, in the next few year after that, Short Eyes, Going in Style, Dressed to Kill, Scarface, and The Cotton Club

clemenza, Sunday, 22 May 2022 00:22 (one year ago) link

Well I'll be goddamned

paolo, Sunday, 22 May 2022 09:13 (one year ago) link

I flipped the first time I saw/heard the real Margolis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OHIoPK6wC8

i just saw him in an old law and order

mark s, Sunday, 22 May 2022 11:30 (one year ago) link

Yeah, Kim turning the car around when she is on the precipice of fulfilling her pro bono/criminal justice dreams and really help people in order to get at Howard is something else.


For this season I feel that Kim’s “pro bono dream” is just just something she tells everybody else and tries (unsuccessfully) to convince herself that’s what she wants.

Similar to Walter White’s self professed justification throughout BB for what he did was “for the family” when at the end he was finally able to admit out loud he just liked being a crime boss, if only for a moment. I’m sure Kim’s real priority is her irrational vendetta against Howard. She’s way more into it than Saul!

DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 22 May 2022 17:25 (one year ago) link

“MIRA…
EL SECRETO DE FRING”

calstars, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 01:44 (one year ago) link

sometimes they deliver everything you expected and maybe a little bit you feared, and now I just want more

mh, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 01:58 (one year ago) link

Definitely the best ep of the season

calstars, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 02:03 (one year ago) link

HOLY SHIT

Abe Kayfabe (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 03:02 (one year ago) link

I do hope that smothers the pace complaints.

If you were really hard core, you'd have thrown a full bottle (WmC), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 03:43 (one year ago) link

That last line, three words, up there with "Are you alone?" from Mad Men as one of the best season (or half-season) closing lines.

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 05:37 (one year ago) link

was weirdly not shocked but i don't thing i've wrapped my head around the episode as a whole.

i think i'm at the point where there are very few BB episodes i would consider above this show as a whole.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 07:03 (one year ago) link

I take back every bad word I ever said about this season

hrep (H.P), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 08:16 (one year ago) link

Justice in the timing in that last scene. Jimmy and Kim touched the same fire everyone in the drug side of this show touched with their scams. the different sides meeting together and some poor civilian being caught in the crosshairs. A great explanation for how Jimmy and Kim got to where they are. They were always there from their first scam, just took a while for the stakes to catch up

hrep (H.P), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 08:21 (one year ago) link

good post

paolo, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 09:27 (one year ago) link

Great speech by Howard too. For the first time I've felt like Jimmy and Kim are actually the baddies. Up until now I've always felt they're more loveable rogue types

paolo, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 09:29 (one year ago) link

I mean I don't think they're 100% bad. They're not in the same league as someone like Lalo or Fring. But now I feel like they do have that badness in them

paolo, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 09:30 (one year ago) link

You might say this season they truly …broke bad

calstars, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 10:50 (one year ago) link

I texted my brother just now about the show (missed last night) and autocorrect renamed the show “Better Calm Saul”

DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 14:10 (one year ago) link

Great speech by Howard too.

Wanted to say the same thing. The way he put everything together--going all the way back to sending Kim to that room to check dockets, which felt indefensible at the time--I really felt sympathy for him. I have to believe that Kim will battle massive guilt over what happened more than Jimmy will.

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 15:56 (one year ago) link

Jimmy will rationalize it as he always does to avoid the feeling of guilt. Don't get me wrong, his worry about Howard's safety when Lalo showed up was genuine, but he's going to bury those feelings deep, whereas Kim might be permanently changed by it.

Lalo slipped through because Mike diverted all of the resources on the street to protect the lab/Gus's house, right?

Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 16:11 (one year ago) link

Why were Jimmy and Kim so shocked by Lalo's reappearance? Hadn't Mike given them advance warning?

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 16:31 (one year ago) link

Kim knew he was still alive, but didn't pass that info on to Jimmy.

If you were really hard core, you'd have thrown a full bottle (WmC), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 16:31 (one year ago) link

Ah, okay...A good parallel for the last line might be Samuel Jackson's "Oh, I'm sorry--did I break your concentration?" in Pulp Fiction.

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 16:33 (one year ago) link

Mike's entire conversation with Kim ended with him saying that she had the spine to handle the news that Lalo was alive, where he didn't think Jimmy had it in him

Which was followed by several conversations where Jimmy said things like "Don't worry, at least Lalo is dead!" and "At least we don't have to worry about Lalo!" while Kim looked spooked

mh, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 18:34 (one year ago) link

omfg

Lalo you lil stinker

gop on ya gingrich (wins), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 18:57 (one year ago) link

When you see howards pi pull up to take the envelope and the last puzzle piece of the scam clicks into place, real clockwork plotting - & yet as I was saying the other day the satisfaction of the caper rings so hollow cause it’s like Howard says, what’s the point? Two broken ppl throwing bottles off balconies. Also once you get into the conference room it is fundamentally a retread of the humiliation of chuck, another big downer. The last scene was played perfectly, Kim & jimmy’s taunting sangfroid when facing him down was chilling

gop on ya gingrich (wins), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 19:10 (one year ago) link

Yeah, played perfectly all around (and agree that probs with pace have recently gone away)---Howard goes out great, Lalo the masterful minimalist ov delivery, another thing which reminds us that gloatin' Jimmy and Kim are, however reckless, Little League sociopaths in comparison (like Lalo will prove to be in comparison to the Cartel). But also yeah, hollow: having the whole thing come down to gaslight gone rong, this whole plotline that's taken over, with Kim and Jimmy going over the sympathy line, also the interest line, two little Walts, just as I figured---"Something will happen to Howard, Kim will probably freak out and run away"---not even helping Jimmy dispose of the body, I hope, but he can always award free legal services for life to someone who will help---she may go back to Nebraska, and Cinnabon X-Jimmy may encounter her there, not nec in a happy way; that could be good.

dow, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 19:35 (one year ago) link

(I figure the Cartel will choose between Lalo and Fring, if they haven't already; not much suspense in that, but some interest in Lalo's means of demise).

dow, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 19:36 (one year ago) link

I'm also interested in exactly what Lalo wants to talk to his lawyers about (Howard: "You need better lawyers!"), and how that will go, under the circumstances, and how they fit into his Plan A.

dow, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 19:39 (one year ago) link

woah
Poor Howard
Annoyingly I didn't recognise the PI when Jimmy hands him the photos. Duh.

kinder, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 20:46 (one year ago) link

It only just occurred to me another motive behind Kim's U-turn last week was it suddenly clicking that knowing Lalo was out there this may be the only opportunity to get the payout money and scram (with or without Jimmy, heh)

nashwan, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 21:19 (one year ago) link

People have been retweeting this December 2021 photo from the set for, uh, no reason today:

Happy birthday pally! pic.twitter.com/hfMuhl911t

— Mr. Bob Odenkirk (@mrbobodenkirk) December 8, 2021

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 22:03 (one year ago) link

I do hope that smothers the pace complaints.
s'all good, man.

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 23:06 (one year ago) link


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