Elon Musk

funny detail that a lot of the tech that tesla and now other electric car makers are putting in their cars is stuff that people actively dont want and/or is just dangerous

The only way to know for sure is to make fart noises an optional feature on every car and see how many people bite.

Musk should announce hologram truck nuts.

waiting for the reveal that the entire Musk/Tesla empire has been a long con operation by the Big Three, hoping to ruin the reputation of electric cars by association with bad build quality, self-crashing autopilot, and an omnipresent douchebag

35K in 2008 is $47.5 today

― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, June 16, 2022 11:57 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah he was still saying it would cost 35k when they launched it five years ago tho, iirc they did sell a handful of them at that price but quickly raised it

bad build quality, self-crashing autopilot, and an omnipresent douchebag

lol these clauses can both be describing Musk!

the fact that screens have become such a lux symbol in cars just sucks dont we get enough of these things

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saw a study the other day that a driver fucking with the car screen has a way slower reaction time than a drunk

still buttons on the steering wheel why isnt there a screen wtf

should make just the entire interior a big continuous screen

instead of buying a car just look at computer

those seats look really comfortable though and with the blue lights if i took a long drive in it i would probably fall asleep

You guys are actually making me want to buy a car.

play a soothing youtube on all my mercedes eqs screens falling asleep and driving into the ocean

"Wave of Mutilation" was predicting the future

Trying to navigate Atlanta rush hour traffic looking like Tom Cruise in Minority Report

oh my god. this all hands.

Idk I drove a car w a big screen on a road trip a couple of years ago and I liked it a lot for map/navigation, large format music/audio display, and making calls on the road. Bigger text in the display means having to peer at it less, taking your eyes off the road. Plus you need one screen that is the control for multiple systems as opposed to your dash having a lot of control panels.

liveblog it!

Not gonna lie, the wireless nonskid device charging pad was nice too.

PS it was not a Tesla but I can't wait to find out what kind of meeting caek is being subjected to.

you need one screen that is the control for multiple systems as opposed to your dash having a lot of control panels.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, June 16, 2022 12:47 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

physical buttons >>>

afaict it's being liveblogged generally accurately in the NYT and bloomberg and verge.

those writers are doing a lot of work to make him sound like he's got a three figure IQ and is experienced in talking to humans using the english language. so just imagine the liveblog but stupid.

xp Make your case but I disagree. Maybe I haven't been in a really well-designed car for a while but dashboards are dark, buttons are dark, print is small, and everything below chest-level is too low to see without leaning over (I am old).

I have a 2005 Outback with 190k on it— it is the barebones model, absolutely nothing fancy except a slightly nicer after-market stereo that it came with (I bought it used).

The 2016 Outback that my dad drives feels like a different universe— I can skip a song and change the volume using the steering wheel, ditto climate control, the car has enough sensors and stuff to essentially feel like it is "self-driving" when it's in cruise control, and so on. I don't care for navigation stuff or a lot of other "bells and whistles" of the car, but a lot of it is quite useful if you know how to use it without allowing it to distract.

I had saved up enough to buy it from him last year for a decent price (it has a few minor problems), but he backed out of it because the demand for new cars was such that he couldn't get himself a new one until 2023. Praying that my Outback lasts until then.

if you own a car you learn where the buttons are and can use them without even looking, which is a pretty big contrast to navigating computer menus, screens have their uses not everything can have a button, but putting the most commonly used things like climate control volume etc are hate crimes against drivers

some cars are putting air vents controls in the screen, the thing you used to just be able to reach out and manipulate now requires operating a computer, absolute madness

aw hell yeah lol

Musk is musing to Twitter employees about aliens.

"I have not seen actual evidence of aliens"

— Sheila Dang (@Sheila_Dang) June 16, 2022

lagoon massively otm about buttons. same reason i'm extremely vexed about the near-complete death of phones with physical qwerty keyboards. they're way, way, way faster and more reliable, and i don't have to look at the screen!

re: buttons vs. touch screens, I could have sworn I read that some very basic functions on the Tesla, and possibly many new cars with touch screens, take several on-screen navigations to get to what you need. Things like climate control. Defenders say "well, use voice control," but anyone with a phone (or who regularly uses voice to text) knows what a mess that can be.

i have sad news the physical buttons are not coming back any time soon. screens everywhere, screens on the floor, screens in the headrest, you won't be able to move for the fucking screens they're going to be encasing you in

I liked having the map, my time to destination, my directions, etc in clear view on a large screen (to be fair I was traveling across the country and needed those things more than in everyday life).

I will allow physical controls for ventilation I guess.

suspect the car makers like putting everything in the screens cause its cheaper easier and completely modifiable, but mostly people really dont like it so i guess well see how it plays out, bet the most used buttons will end up staying, even the lucid air prob the craziest ev on the market has some buttons

I hope caek is having fun.

some new cars have screens or sections with a permanent spot for climate controls but even that isnt has good since you cant feel them

none of that even touches on distraction tho, screens are genuinely dangerous for drivers to use

if you own a car you learn where the buttons are and can use them without even looking, which is a pretty big contrast to navigating computer menus, screens have their uses not everything can have a button, but putting the most commonly used things like climate control volume etc are hate crimes against drivers

― lag∞n, Thursday, June 16, 2022 12:06 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

true but there has to be some kind of intuitive element to it. the reason why so many devices are similar these days is because the designers understand that the human brain has certain expectations, and that is massively important when designing a car, in which the driver is expected to operate everything without really thinking, since they're focusing on the road. this is why it's so boneheaded for Tesla to be putting various controls in its own clever space, if you drive multiple cars you really don't wanna have to stop and think where the A/C or windshield wipers are. I know someone who's driven them for years and still gets irritated by the turn signal buttons on the wheel. he says it still breaks his concentration to signal that way.

I have a 2005 Outback with 190k on it— it is the barebones model, absolutely nothing fancy except a slightly nicer after-market stereo that it came with (I bought it used).

The 2016 Outback that my dad drives feels like a different universe

Counterpoint: I drive a twenty-year old Outback and I have never driven a rental car and felt "wow this is a really different experience from driving my car at home" -- I think in many ways the technology matured some time ago

Then again I never use cruise control (which I believe my current car does have some version of)

wrote a novel on my blackberry, could feel the keys press beneath my fingers, very few typos. now roughly 20% of key presses are wrong on this samsung. nobody is catering for me and my fat arthritic fingers.

And obviously a completely different powering mechanism like an electric motor is an authentically big difference even if it doesn't affect the driving experience!

I liked having the map, my time to destination, my directions, etc in clear view on a large screen.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, June 16, 2022 1:35 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah theyre good for navigation, prob best setup is to have a voice controlled map on the drivers screen where the speedometer is, crazy that the tesla x has absolutely nothing in that spot you have to look down and over to even see your speed

the human brain has certain expectations, and that is massively important when designing a car, in which the driver is expected to operate everything without really thinking,

Exactly -- I can rent a car and I don't have to learn how it works, every control is just where it's supposed to be, it works the way a car works; I think this is critical for safety

I hope caek is having fun.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, June 16, 2022 1:36 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

haha if you think surfing linkedin on company time is fun then yes!

those writers are doing a lot of work to make him sound like he's got a three figure IQ and is experienced in talking to humans using the english language. so just imagine the liveblog but stupid.

we don't want to imagine it, caek, we want to live it through you

Counterpoint: I drive a twenty-year old Outback and I have never driven a rental car and felt "wow this is a really different experience from driving my car at home" -- I think in many ways the technology matured some time ago

Then again I never use cruise control (which I believe my current car does have some version of)

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, June 16, 2022 1:42 PM (fifty-nine seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

i use cruise control basically every time i get on the highway hate having to keep track of whether im speeding, would love to have some of the newer smart cruise control features as well as the new safety stuff auto breaking lane assist etc which imo does represent a significant move forward in driving tech, also if you care about such things new cars drive really well its kind of crazy how much better they are, one minor piece of new car tech i really like is the led headlights that will dim just the part of the beam thats pointed at an oncoming car, i want that lol

none of that even touches on distraction tho, screens are genuinely dangerous for drivers to use

I don't understand why screens are more distracting than having to look at a tiny LCD screen that's almost at stomach-level to see which of the 5 different ventilation modes you're currently in based on pushing a "MODE" button??? (Thanks, Subaru.) All the controls should be where you can peripherally see them while still looking at the road imo.

Hate. Haaaaaaate the lane assist and automatic braking.

those are both screens?

also if you care about such things new cars drive really well its kind of crazy how much better they are

yeah I think it must be the case that I don't care about such things because the difference is really not perceptible to me, I'm not sure I even know what it means to "drive well" (my car goes the direction I point it at the speed I ask of it, so I guess it's more than just that)

I don't understand why screens are more distracting than having to look at a tiny LCD screen that's almost at stomach-level to see which of the 5 different ventilation modes you're currently in based on pushing a "MODE" button??? (Thanks, Subaru.) All the controls should be where you can peripherally see them while still looking at the road imo.

On a well-designed car the ventilation mode is controlled by a five-way switch which clicks as you turn it to each position so you can just feel where it is with your hand! Having to look at a screen for this would be like having to look at a screen to change gears.

i hate, hate, hate using the touchscreen when i'm driving. it's at an awkward angle, it's not particularly responsive, and it take even longer to look at than glancing down at my phone

the whole screen situation in my 2015 outback is so bad slow poorly designed etc but luckily its just for music i dont have the nav subscription def easier to use my phone