Elon Musk

I liked having the map, my time to destination, my directions, etc in clear view on a large screen.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, June 16, 2022 1:35 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah theyre good for navigation, prob best setup is to have a voice controlled map on the drivers screen where the speedometer is, crazy that the tesla x has absolutely nothing in that spot you have to look down and over to even see your speed

the human brain has certain expectations, and that is massively important when designing a car, in which the driver is expected to operate everything without really thinking,

Exactly -- I can rent a car and I don't have to learn how it works, every control is just where it's supposed to be, it works the way a car works; I think this is critical for safety

I hope caek is having fun.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, June 16, 2022 1:36 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

haha if you think surfing linkedin on company time is fun then yes!

those writers are doing a lot of work to make him sound like he's got a three figure IQ and is experienced in talking to humans using the english language. so just imagine the liveblog but stupid.

we don't want to imagine it, caek, we want to live it through you

Counterpoint: I drive a twenty-year old Outback and I have never driven a rental car and felt "wow this is a really different experience from driving my car at home" -- I think in many ways the technology matured some time ago

Then again I never use cruise control (which I believe my current car does have some version of)

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, June 16, 2022 1:42 PM (fifty-nine seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

i use cruise control basically every time i get on the highway hate having to keep track of whether im speeding, would love to have some of the newer smart cruise control features as well as the new safety stuff auto breaking lane assist etc which imo does represent a significant move forward in driving tech, also if you care about such things new cars drive really well its kind of crazy how much better they are, one minor piece of new car tech i really like is the led headlights that will dim just the part of the beam thats pointed at an oncoming car, i want that lol

none of that even touches on distraction tho, screens are genuinely dangerous for drivers to use

I don't understand why screens are more distracting than having to look at a tiny LCD screen that's almost at stomach-level to see which of the 5 different ventilation modes you're currently in based on pushing a "MODE" button??? (Thanks, Subaru.) All the controls should be where you can peripherally see them while still looking at the road imo.

Hate. Haaaaaaate the lane assist and automatic braking.

those are both screens?

also if you care about such things new cars drive really well its kind of crazy how much better they are

yeah I think it must be the case that I don't care about such things because the difference is really not perceptible to me, I'm not sure I even know what it means to "drive well" (my car goes the direction I point it at the speed I ask of it, so I guess it's more than just that)

I don't understand why screens are more distracting than having to look at a tiny LCD screen that's almost at stomach-level to see which of the 5 different ventilation modes you're currently in based on pushing a "MODE" button??? (Thanks, Subaru.) All the controls should be where you can peripherally see them while still looking at the road imo.

On a well-designed car the ventilation mode is controlled by a five-way switch which clicks as you turn it to each position so you can just feel where it is with your hand! Having to look at a screen for this would be like having to look at a screen to change gears.

i hate, hate, hate using the touchscreen when i'm driving. it's at an awkward angle, it's not particularly responsive, and it take even longer to look at than glancing down at my phone

the whole screen situation in my 2015 outback is so bad slow poorly designed etc but luckily its just for music i dont have the nav subscription def easier to use my phone

fp'ing tabes' dad and eephus for cultural appropriation

g∞n t∞!

oi m8!

those are both screens?

Sorry yes that was unclear. They're both screens but the difference is between a larger, high-contract color screen that's high on the dash, versus a small black-on-grey LCD screen on the center console at the height of my lowest rib, but this is a design problem more than anything. So maybe my point is that I would like a large screen that allows all the controls to be at the best, most convenient level with the best visibility, instead of them competing for space. But I do not have a car.

* hi-contrast

not having a car is the best solution of all

some of the safety/assist features seem nice and I'd like them on a new car but Tesla cheaped out and dropped lidar on most of their models, right? so they don't have a premium there unless you really believe their visual-only system works

i dont think any new cars use lidar its too expensive which is why tesla doesnt either, the difference being that musk just went on promising full self driving was right around the corner anyway

As of January, according to the latest tally from BloombergNEF, 17 automakers globally have announced a total of 21 lidar-equipped passenger car models, either in production or coming soon. This number will increase as systems like GM's lidar-based Ultra Cruise are added to specific models.

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/musk-looks-isolated-rivals-embrace-lidar

"announced"

also if you care about such things new cars drive really well its kind of crazy how much better they are

right and this is why I'm skeptical of the whole "self-driving" thing being a gamechanger, like what are we supposed to do just sit behind the wheel and nervously hope the autopilot doesn't drive into a playground? I like driving!! my car has a backup cam, radar cruise, and a blind spot detector. most of the annoying aspects of driving have already been made much easier.

if there was real safe level 5 driving that would be a pretty amazing advance, i mean ~40k people die every year on our roads

If self-driving tech was actually good, fuck yeah I’d use it. No amount of making a car nicer improves bumper to bumper traffic short of me having the ability to nod off.

we could use any kind of help to fix driving in FL. one person died recently when their vehicle plunged off of Toll Road 408 and landed on Interstate 4 below.

Sounds like driving is doing WAY too much. People need wages that allow them to work fewer hours and better social support systems so they're not constantly exhausted from trying to handle 3 people's worth of responsibilities and falling asleep at the wheel. And public transit options that replace bumper to bumper traffic, and affordable housing near transit with walkable commercial zones so we don't have to drive so far and so much.

Oh, we don't care about any of those things? Cool, definitely self driving cars then.

lots of people do care about those things, there may be some powerful interests arrayed against them tho

Here's Jim Chanos on why he considers $TSLA to still be the quintessential stock of this market, and why he's still betting against it, and how it's to this market cycle as $CSCO was to the dotcom bubble. https://t.co/mSMtHh7SXx pic.twitter.com/51Mlm9u7ek

— Joe Weisenthal (@TheStalwart) June 16, 2022

I would like a cruise control that keeps a maximum speed too, so you don't forget to brake enough going down a mountain and scare your passengers

not that I did this to lag∞n or anything hehe

the idea that tesla is some sort of zeitgeist future-looking stock makes sense, people just don't have a lot to pin their enthusiasm for a future on outside of riding notions and the stock roller coaster

what's weird is that when it comes to driving I'm like "cruise control, no way, I want to have my attention constantly on anticipating what's ahead and exert direct control of what I'm doing, no automated BS for me" but when it comes to investing I'm like "eww, who would buy individual stocks, just buy an index and let the market do the work"

the market can be modeled by a random walk with a forcing term, so "follow the market" works. if you model driving with a random walk you die.

the cars i drive were made in the late 80s and early 90s and have very manual controls. they also dont have air bags!

crossing my fingers that my 2006 hatchback w 210k miles makes it to 300k. the idea of car shopping in the modern era gives me hella anxiety

I love cruise control for long trips— it’s absolutely an energy saver, at least for the way I drive.

honestly would prefer to move somewhere that a car just isn’t necessary before it’s time to buy again

“i use cruise control basically every time i get on the highway hate having to keep track of whether im speeding”

can confirm the subie eyesight shit makes hiway driving much nicer. you still have to be 100% in control ime, it just means you don’t have to take your eyes off the road for speedo or wonder about how fast you’re going. you wont go over x mph, if the cars afore you slow down, so do you, and if they speed up, so will you, but not over x mph. You can just steer and navigate traffic and brake when you need to do. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I don’t like the steering thing that bumps you inside the road lines so i turn that off.

We rented a Mazda CX-5 thing last year - sort of a crossover small SUV - to drive out to Zion

At one point on the drive home, we locked in with two other CX-5's, using the radar-guided cruise control.. so when the first car was able to speed up, the others did as well.. it was really fucking weird but kinda cool

the last trip on the interstate that I didn't use cruise control on was when I was being shady, shadowed a semi trailer in my circa 2010ish hybrid car, and managed to eke out an extra 10mpg

Hunt3r, what you describe is exactly what I’m talking about— it makes highway driving, particularly for long stretches with little congestion, an absolutely different and I think less physically taxing activity. You still have to be alert mentally and have your eyes on the road, obviously.

to divert away from cartalk for a while

Elon Musk, SpaceX and Tesla are being sued for $258 billion over claims they are part of a racketeering scheme to back the cryptocurrency Dogecoin https://t.co/HgvMaYpV7F

— Bloomberg (@business) June 16, 2022

feel like yeah, he absolutely was manipulating the price of Dogecoin for personal gain, but idk if that's technically a crime

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_and_dump

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musks doge situation def seemed very shady at the time

Everything this motherfucker touches seems shady.

im just a simple poster idk what this case needs to go forward but could be pretty interesting if it does

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Teslas Running Autopilot Involved in at Least 273 Crashes in Past Year

The new data set stems from a federal order last summer requiring automakers to report crashes involving driver assistance to assess whether the technology presented safety risks. Tesla‘s vehicles have been found to shut off the advanced driver-assistance system, Autopilot, around one second before impact, according to the regulators.

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