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Mark s refuses to watch Frasier because of Daphne. True story.

which Sondheim? ... I regret that my life choices have fucked up my voice so I can't do Amy's part in "Not Getting Married Today" anymore, but I could likely do a pretty stellar version of "Ladies Who Lunch"

I mean Daphne's bad but really?

Like Fraze himself is often more unbearable

*rewinds many many eps in my head*

Ok mark has a point

Roz tho, sigh

Daphne's brother though. Ouch!

I mean Daphne's bad but really?

a rare misstep in Jane Leeves's stellar career

I don't like her either tbh

Many of the actors who play Moon family members do not have specifically Mancunian English accents: Anthony LaPaglia and Richard E. Grant, who portray two of Daphne's brothers, were not even born in the United Kingdom (LaPaglia is Australian, and Grant was born in Eswatini). This apparent discrepancy is never addressed on the show, but may be taken as an in-joke (see below).

"many"?????

think the word they were looking for was "none"

THE Richard E. Grant?

I didn't know he was Swazi, but Mancunian-on-Frasier aside (I don't have any memory it) we're not seriously suggesting Grant can't do any convincing born-in-the-UK accents are we?

Can't really imagine him pulling off a Manc accent tbf.

yeah I agree with that, I'm just a) wondering about the implications of the thing gyac quoted about "not UK born" like how much does that really matter/explain? and b) wondering if I've missed that Grant can't even do a posh English accent, which would be surprising to me but I certainly don't have the ear for noticing it

He's not really an African.

Tossed Salad and Scrambled Eggs (Mancunian Blues)

She is really terrible and the accent isn’t even the half of it tbh

grant's wikipedia has a paragraph on his accent: tl;dr he grew up in a colonial subculture where the posh english of the 40s and 50s was still the norm until the 80s, and when he arrived in the uk in the 80s his resting speech reflected the pre-shift voicing (unspoken point: there was a noticeable vowel shift in british poshspeak in the 50s and 60s)

Yes but what are your thoughts on Daphne

there was a noticeable vowel shift in Mancunian accents in 1990s Seattle

"they're callin again"

I think the reason Daphne is bad, increasingly so as the show progresses, is because at the beginning she's intentionally one-dimensional and unknowable, the joke about Niles being secretly in love with her is predicated on him barely knowing her and not having any real connection with her, she's like Kramer in the Seinfeld or Jim In Taxi, this person who pops up an makes quirky non-sequiturs. When she becomes part of the family they get rid of the quirks and she just ends up being one-dimensional in a dull way.

I don't mind Daphne's family of cockney Mancunians though, in the same way you wouldn't complain about Inspector Clouseau or Rene from Allo Allo not being convincing portrayals of Frenchmen

as a general rule of thumb marriages of long-running sitcom characters = the death of the show

glaring exception being Bob and Thelma obv

anyway last night i came to the conclusion that good Frazier = Roz, Niles, Martin, some of the chorus, bad Frazier = the rest

Roz undisputed classic
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i'm going to stop Roz-posting for the sake of my own dignity at this point in time

regain yr dignity by posting abt eddie

Best actor in the series.

okay i think we can all agree on Eddie

we can: his manchester accent also sucks

Better than Anthony LaPaglia's though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j_JMSE-Mto

as a general rule of thumb marriages of long-running sitcom characters = the death of the show

glaring exception being Bob and Thelma obv

― bury my heart in wounded kieth (Noodle Vague), Sunday, July 3, 2022 10:52 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah, because usually they've run out of things that the characters might do, and the last one is 'marry'

Obv, Bob & Thelma exception, there were other things they could do...

What thread is this, anyway?...

Sorry this started off due to mark talking about this in the pub, it’s not on a thread that I’ve seen

mark the source and receiver. good ole "monopolar mark".

Ugh, that is a bad physics joke and I know nothing about any marks stugggling with bipolar disorder, so apologies if that is there.

and the physics was also incorret lol

I'll be over here in my chair, Eddie in my lap, wondering what the educated people are talking about.

i didn't even own a TV then ...

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sarahell, i hope you received that joke in good spirits. It was a call back to your sondheim post that I enjoyed.

yes, thank you, I got that immediately!

Worst Malone

Can’t believe youn is lowering the tone of this thread, now to get back to my regular schedule of posts by Van Horn Street and all the other big political thinkers!

The sniping is unnecessary.

Your return was unnecessary

You are choosing to interact with me. You can choose not to. I haven't said anything remotely controversial in that thread. I'm asking you to either bury the hatchet or leave me alone, feels like this place could do with a little less sniping and anger.