Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

^^^^

A Texan friend reports that the state had has a rash of brush fires as a result of fireworks this year.

You could set that place on fire tomorrow and it'd look the same as it does today.

Ngl, as someone who has lived in pretty rough urban areas as well as rural areas for a lot of my adult life, it is wildly easy to tell the difference between gunshots and fireworks. Not that being on edge isn’t justified, but still.

Ina crowd like that, it probably only Takes a couple people panicking to set everyone off

It's harder to tell the difference between gunshots and fireworks when they are both happening at the same time.

totally, i mean i get it, just pointing something out. it’s actually the subject of jokes in a lot of gentrifying neighborhoods— older residents making fun of the new residents calling the cops over some kids with cherry bombs.

The owner of a chain of Cigar bars said the reason everyone was on edge last night was the "polarizing message the City of Orlando sent" two days earlier suggesting "inclusivity doesn't include conservative beliefs".

He was broadly clowned and I'm never going to his shitty cigar bars again

Also trading him off my Madden team when I get home

Sounds like a well-deserved clowning.

xxxpost Yeah, the people who think every boom is a gun have no idea. But a series of pops can be easily confused for a series of other pops. For a while here assholes were installing exhaust pipes that mimicked the sound of guns. A la

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq9-rc4WrPk

trend in our village these days is loud backfiring bikes/cars. It's real fun guys, real fun.

I'm pretty(?) used to fireworks & stuff? But last year there was an actual drive-by shooting around the corner from me and tbh I didn't realize until way too late that they were actual shots.

Supposedly it was the pops from an idiot who set off his own firecrackers in the crowd, and then one guy yelling THEY'RE SHOOTING, THEY'RE SHOOTING

They had to have a reunification area and everything. Relieved there was no shooting.

Xpost holy hell that is scary

If my health ever depends on me dropping to the ground quickly from hearing a loud noise, I'm toast. There's way too much going on for that.

ha is it a cigar bar named like a certain mass marketed Mexican beer?

Many people who are not stupid or otherwise ignorant (people like me) are sensitive to loud noises because they have damaged nervous systems.

I truly do not see the point in boasting about how easy it is to distinguish between types of loud noises and explosions?!?! pretty cold imo, or self-congratulatory at least. i mean GOOD FOR YOU if you are so skilled at managing your reactions to loud noises, 7-8 cookies 4 u

but if people are tetchy about sounds that could indicate shootings it could be because they happen everywhere all the fucking time? USA USA USA

ha is it a cigar bar named like a certain mass marketed Mexican beer?

― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Tuesday, July 5, 2022 11:11 AM bookmarkflaglink

That's the one!

Don't want to Jeff any Boryciewiczes or anything but

If you can't tell the difference between the sound of a Glock 19 and a Ruger GP100 then you are a corny suburbanite is how I break it down to a certain extent

but if people are tetchy about sounds that could indicate shootings it could be because they happen everywhere all the fucking time? USA USA USA

Otm

hopefully gonna continue not knowing exactly what gunshots sound like

i've lived in new york for a while! there have been shootings in my neighborhood! fuck if i know what differentiates one explosive sound from another

Ngl, as someone who has lived in pretty rough urban areas as well as rural areas for a lot of my adult life, it is wildly easy to tell the difference between gunshots and fireworks. Not that being on edge isn’t justified, but still.

― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Tuesday, July 5, 2022 7:26 AM (five hours ago)

how did/does your dog feel about this? ... like, humans are animals with a more complex mechanism to rationalize scary shit. ... 4th of July weekend here (where table used to live) is basically "dog trauma weekend" ... many friends who have dogs basically go out of town this weekend rather than dealing with their dogs freaking the fuck out.

I housesit sometimes for a friend and their dog is freaked out by both lightning and fireworks.

The fireworks the friends neighbor sets off sound like mortars. Basically the dog will not go outside once they start. They bother me too! Home fireworks should crackle, not sound like The War of 1812.

I don't really like them to begin with. I won't ruin someone else's fun if it's minor but I'm sick of hearing loud explosions on the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, etc

this probably belongs on another thread, but yeah, Oakland last night sounded like the siege of Stalingrad, just unrelenting explosions

Our dogs are completely unfazed by fireworks if they're indoors with us.

I wasn't bragging, more just saying that there is a discernible difference in sound. I'm not happy that I know this difference, for what it's worth.

All night long, I was unsure whether I was seeing lightning or fireworks. The family across the street had a display worth of Gandalf.

the first fourth of july after i moved from Australia i was standing in the backyard kind of marvelling at the insanity of the noise all over the neighborhood, unlike anything i’d ever seen

and then i learned as the evening went on that not all of fireworks sounds are irl fireworks…those ones you hear now? that sound like continuous pops?
those are gunshots

and i stood there for a minute like …wut

and then i went inside & didn’t come out

ashamed to say i am used to it now :/

There was a teen a couple of miles from where I live who got hit by a falling bullet on the 4th of July last year.

^ ^ ^

This was more what I was getting at. I'm totally used to gunshots and fireworks going off from early June to a week or so after 4th July, and it's not like I'm comfortable with it— I just can tell the difference at this point.

yeah exactly
it’s more like situational awareness just for safety than being a, idk, guns & ammo weirdo who thrills at identifying ballistics by sound or some shit

A coworker of mine heard a noise in her bedroom, and found a bullet on her bed with a pile of plaster.. it had come through her ceiling

And landed next to a surprised looking cat.. I think it was New Years Even

the part of the post i objected to primarily was the term "wildly easy" -- as if it's something anyone with a pulse should be able to do. maybe when it comes to mass shootings, we could spare each other the hyperbole? that is a plea, not a demand. have some sympathy.

xpost i remember that new year's eve it sucked

Andy, that’s terrifying. I think that what we’re all afraid of - that even if you’re indoors and sitting the situation out, you aren’t safe. (Which isn’t to say that people who are outside deserve whatever happens, either.)

this probably belongs on another thread, but yeah, Oakland last night sounded like the siege of Stalingrad, just unrelenting explosions

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, July 5, 2022 1:01 PM (one hour ago)

it's like that every year tbh ... I was driving to a store to get smokes on Sunday evening and there was a loud explosion a few feet away from my car. ... people were setting off fireworks at the intersection of 14th and Broadway. ... People will also shoot their guns in celebration of the holiday. So, there is gunfire that isn't actually shooting _at_ someone. For some people, gentrifier or not, it is super fucking triggering.

Nothing caught fire or appeared at risk to catch fire, and for the first time in a few years I actually didn't have an extinguisher in my car so I just kept going after the initial shock.

the part of the post i objected to primarily was the term "wildly easy" -- as if it's something anyone with a pulse should be able to do. maybe when it comes to mass shootings, we could spare each other the hyperbole? that is a plea, not a demand. have some sympathy.

Stuff like this speaks to an aspect where there is definite heterogeneity in ILX ... like, what table said initially, I was nodding along in recognition, but ... this is the mass shooting thread and not the Oakland thread... and I'm glad (and not surprised) that table apologized and listened and walked back the punk bravado because he is a respectful, thoughtful person.

Won't get counted a 'spree' shooting, but there was a crazy gunfight here last weekend. Serving a warrant, the guy was armed to the teeth with a vest and killed 3 policemen, a police dog, injured 5 others and shot up like 7 cop cars.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2022/07/05/floyd-county-ky-police-shooting-what-know-about-allen-shootout/7809509001/

Crazy world getting crazier by the day.

poor dog :(

the assholes down the street from me (I'm in south berkeley) set of giant fireworks for three hours last night, shit exploding all over the street, ashes raining down on cars and houses. I usually don't mind a 20-30 minute show of stuff being done in the park, where it normally happens, but this was miles beyond that. the cops came by at least twice including a firetruck, and didn't appear to do a single thing? like not even a citation? the second they started driving away it picked up again. didn't stop until after midnight.

Fire station on the corner near where I stay is flying the flag at half mast today. Again.

why is the flag ever at full mast anymore even. should just be half mast all the time for the shootings that happen every day and quartermast when the day's toll is above, like, 50.

"i shouldn't gloom in here, this is the mass shooting thread -- oh."

each inch the flag is lowered further disrespects the troops

his is the mass shooting thread and not the Oakland thread

Gallows humor, but "you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"

Highland Park mass shooting update: Family calls police to say man threatened to "kill everyone." They take his knives. Father, however, later sponsors son's application for a gun permit. State gives it to him, couldn't prove he was dangerous. This is America

— Gregory Pratt (@royalpratt) July 5, 2022