Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

ha is it a cigar bar named like a certain mass marketed Mexican beer?

Many people who are not stupid or otherwise ignorant (people like me) are sensitive to loud noises because they have damaged nervous systems.

I truly do not see the point in boasting about how easy it is to distinguish between types of loud noises and explosions?!?! pretty cold imo, or self-congratulatory at least. i mean GOOD FOR YOU if you are so skilled at managing your reactions to loud noises, 7-8 cookies 4 u

but if people are tetchy about sounds that could indicate shootings it could be because they happen everywhere all the fucking time? USA USA USA

ha is it a cigar bar named like a certain mass marketed Mexican beer?

― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Tuesday, July 5, 2022 11:11 AM bookmarkflaglink

That's the one!

Don't want to Jeff any Boryciewiczes or anything but

If you can't tell the difference between the sound of a Glock 19 and a Ruger GP100 then you are a corny suburbanite is how I break it down to a certain extent

but if people are tetchy about sounds that could indicate shootings it could be because they happen everywhere all the fucking time? USA USA USA

Otm

hopefully gonna continue not knowing exactly what gunshots sound like

i've lived in new york for a while! there have been shootings in my neighborhood! fuck if i know what differentiates one explosive sound from another

Ngl, as someone who has lived in pretty rough urban areas as well as rural areas for a lot of my adult life, it is wildly easy to tell the difference between gunshots and fireworks. Not that being on edge isn’t justified, but still.

― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Tuesday, July 5, 2022 7:26 AM (five hours ago)

how did/does your dog feel about this? ... like, humans are animals with a more complex mechanism to rationalize scary shit. ... 4th of July weekend here (where table used to live) is basically "dog trauma weekend" ... many friends who have dogs basically go out of town this weekend rather than dealing with their dogs freaking the fuck out.

I housesit sometimes for a friend and their dog is freaked out by both lightning and fireworks.

The fireworks the friends neighbor sets off sound like mortars. Basically the dog will not go outside once they start. They bother me too! Home fireworks should crackle, not sound like The War of 1812.

I don't really like them to begin with. I won't ruin someone else's fun if it's minor but I'm sick of hearing loud explosions on the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, etc

this probably belongs on another thread, but yeah, Oakland last night sounded like the siege of Stalingrad, just unrelenting explosions

Our dogs are completely unfazed by fireworks if they're indoors with us.

I wasn't bragging, more just saying that there is a discernible difference in sound. I'm not happy that I know this difference, for what it's worth.

All night long, I was unsure whether I was seeing lightning or fireworks. The family across the street had a display worth of Gandalf.

the first fourth of july after i moved from Australia i was standing in the backyard kind of marvelling at the insanity of the noise all over the neighborhood, unlike anything i’d ever seen

and then i learned as the evening went on that not all of fireworks sounds are irl fireworks…those ones you hear now? that sound like continuous pops?
those are gunshots

and i stood there for a minute like …wut

and then i went inside & didn’t come out

ashamed to say i am used to it now :/

There was a teen a couple of miles from where I live who got hit by a falling bullet on the 4th of July last year.

^ ^ ^

This was more what I was getting at. I'm totally used to gunshots and fireworks going off from early June to a week or so after 4th July, and it's not like I'm comfortable with it— I just can tell the difference at this point.

yeah exactly
it’s more like situational awareness just for safety than being a, idk, guns & ammo weirdo who thrills at identifying ballistics by sound or some shit

A coworker of mine heard a noise in her bedroom, and found a bullet on her bed with a pile of plaster.. it had come through her ceiling

And landed next to a surprised looking cat.. I think it was New Years Even

the part of the post i objected to primarily was the term "wildly easy" -- as if it's something anyone with a pulse should be able to do. maybe when it comes to mass shootings, we could spare each other the hyperbole? that is a plea, not a demand. have some sympathy.

xpost i remember that new year's eve it sucked

Andy, that’s terrifying. I think that what we’re all afraid of - that even if you’re indoors and sitting the situation out, you aren’t safe. (Which isn’t to say that people who are outside deserve whatever happens, either.)

this probably belongs on another thread, but yeah, Oakland last night sounded like the siege of Stalingrad, just unrelenting explosions

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, July 5, 2022 1:01 PM (one hour ago)

it's like that every year tbh ... I was driving to a store to get smokes on Sunday evening and there was a loud explosion a few feet away from my car. ... people were setting off fireworks at the intersection of 14th and Broadway. ... People will also shoot their guns in celebration of the holiday. So, there is gunfire that isn't actually shooting _at_ someone. For some people, gentrifier or not, it is super fucking triggering.

Nothing caught fire or appeared at risk to catch fire, and for the first time in a few years I actually didn't have an extinguisher in my car so I just kept going after the initial shock.

the part of the post i objected to primarily was the term "wildly easy" -- as if it's something anyone with a pulse should be able to do. maybe when it comes to mass shootings, we could spare each other the hyperbole? that is a plea, not a demand. have some sympathy.

Stuff like this speaks to an aspect where there is definite heterogeneity in ILX ... like, what table said initially, I was nodding along in recognition, but ... this is the mass shooting thread and not the Oakland thread... and I'm glad (and not surprised) that table apologized and listened and walked back the punk bravado because he is a respectful, thoughtful person.

Won't get counted a 'spree' shooting, but there was a crazy gunfight here last weekend. Serving a warrant, the guy was armed to the teeth with a vest and killed 3 policemen, a police dog, injured 5 others and shot up like 7 cop cars.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2022/07/05/floyd-county-ky-police-shooting-what-know-about-allen-shootout/7809509001/

Crazy world getting crazier by the day.

poor dog :(

the assholes down the street from me (I'm in south berkeley) set of giant fireworks for three hours last night, shit exploding all over the street, ashes raining down on cars and houses. I usually don't mind a 20-30 minute show of stuff being done in the park, where it normally happens, but this was miles beyond that. the cops came by at least twice including a firetruck, and didn't appear to do a single thing? like not even a citation? the second they started driving away it picked up again. didn't stop until after midnight.

Fire station on the corner near where I stay is flying the flag at half mast today. Again.

why is the flag ever at full mast anymore even. should just be half mast all the time for the shootings that happen every day and quartermast when the day's toll is above, like, 50.

"i shouldn't gloom in here, this is the mass shooting thread -- oh."

each inch the flag is lowered further disrespects the troops

his is the mass shooting thread and not the Oakland thread

Gallows humor, but "you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"

Highland Park mass shooting update: Family calls police to say man threatened to "kill everyone." They take his knives. Father, however, later sponsors son's application for a gun permit. State gives it to him, couldn't prove he was dangerous. This is America

— Gregory Pratt (@royalpratt) July 5, 2022

Dog doesn't care about fireworks, but hates thunder and landscapers who tow those giant mesh trailers. Maybe it's the bass and duration.

I can tell the difference between the fireworks and the semi-automatic fireworks, but I'm not out there going, "Yessirree, that one was a Glock 920. Oooh, that one sounds like a Black Cat F14!"

It's sad I'm used to it, just like I'm numb to people who represent me in Congress taking the wrong side of this every time. So gallows humor it is.

I'm with BradNelson here.

I am 51 years old; I have lived lots of places. I was a Boy Scout. I worked for 20 years in intelligence, defense, and national security. At various times I've worked for the CIA, the White House, the Army, and the Coast Guard.

I have never held or fired a gun, and I don't think I have ever heard one fired in anger. Maybe I've heard ceremonial gunfire, with blanks? Like at a funeral or something. I can't remember a specific instance but it seems possible.

Guns are just not a thing in my world, and I don't think that's particularly weird or bubble-bound.

one story that comes to mind is when I was 13 during summer vacation my dad used to hide the power supply to the N64 somewhere because he didn't want us playing it all day

one rainy day I decided to take matters into my own hands and go into his room to find where he hid it. I never did find it but I did find his gun and some ammunition in a shoebox in his closet. I remember being in awe of it, both scared and fascinated

it definitely ran through my mind "I could kill someone now", not that I would ever consider the thought, but there were times I felt ostracized, misunderstood, angry, etc.

and so to me this is kind of the problem. when Columbine happened everyone was forced to confront the horror of it full stop. but for some it planted a seed. you can always go out and shoot people. as we've moved on and these shooting become more and more common that seed is now in everyone's head. if the world gets too much, if people just don't understand, or don't listen, or don't care about you, or if you get too indoctrinated into right-wing propaganda convincing you that society wants white men to just go away you can just buy a gun and fire into a crowd. then you'll be somebody and everyone will be sorry! it keeps happening because it keeps happening! and I don't see how we can stop it!

I used to think I could generally tell the difference, but I had a conversation last week with a guy who spent 11 years in the military before moving to the US and talked fairly convincingly about how even with his extensive experience it's grown more and more difficult for him to tell the difference when it comes to certain types of guns and calibers. He said some types of guns are very easy to distinguish from fireworks, but smaller caliber guns (iirc his explanation, he got very detailed and technical far beyond anything I've ever wanted to understand about guns) can sound extremely similar to firework pops. He said, particularly in an urban environment when, say, the fireworks or shot is in an alley with lots of surfaces to echo off of, it can become even more challenging.

I had a bullet come through my living room window about four years ago when I lived in Jersey City, NJ. I thought it was a lightbulb that popped (!!) when I heard it. Then the cops showed up. Shooting across the street, one wounded and a stray went in my direction. I took it as an omen, on top of the general malaise in the air at the time, to get out of Dodge. Have lived in Netherlands for three years now.

😬

There was a notorious shooting spree in Chicago in early 2021 where a guy shot and killed five people as he worked his way from the south side all the way to the north side that ended with a brief shootout between the shooter and the cops half a block from our house. I immediately knew those were decidedly not fireworks.

I had a very mid 2000s occurrence where my girl friend and I were watching the wire in her bed on a laptop. As some intense scene is just getting going, shots ring out right outside her window. Lots of shootings in that neighborhood including a terrible one where a guy lit up on crack just started firing randomly and killed a little kid

The man charged with killing seven people at an Independence Day parade confessed to police that he unleashed a hail of bullets from a rooftop in suburban Chicago and then fled to the Madison, Wisconsin, area, where he contemplated shooting up an event there, authorities said Wednesday.

My daughter is about to go to college there. When I heard that on the news I teetered between nausea and tears.

BREAKING: A rifle-armed Uvalde officer sighted in to shoot the Robb Elementary attacker before he entered the school but instead waited for supervisor permission -- one of many new revelations in a report obtained today by national experts about the May 24 police response. 1/4

— Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) July 6, 2022

xpost My gf's cousin and his family were at the Highland Park parade (all safe, thankfully). My gf's niece and nephew live in Madison. I'm not proud of the deeply vengeful things I'm feeling towards this POS right now.

Presented without comment:

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene blames July Fourth mass shooting on LGBTQ plot to enact ‘more gun control’

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-blames-july-fourth-mass-shooting-on-lgbtq-plot-to-enact-more-gun-control/ar-AAZh2pN?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=835bc2fa55314e4d95fdc8cab42d49fb

Greene conceded that her bizarro theory might sound to some “like a conspiracy theory.”

“By the way, what’s the definition of a right-wing conspiracy theory?” she asked, shaking her head in disbelief that anyone could doubt her outlandish claims. “It’s just the news a month early.”

still waiting for Trump to arrest & execute the paedo-Dem cabal, any day now

Xpost oh cool, she's the own who saw "The Life of David Gale"

“By the way, what’s the definition of a right-wing conspiracy theory?” she asked, shaking her head in disbelief that anyone could doubt her outlandish claims. “It’s just the news a month early.”

and that's why they were so proactive and cognizant about preventing the spread of Covid? ... what a horrible person. She truly makes me resent the fact we belong to the same species.