I am, like many I guess, very quick to jump to a critical mindset without really justifying it. I fell asleep in Olive Trees at the cinema and saw a couple more Abbas K pastoral films along with some other Iranian films which I thought were much better. This has more than likely mutated into a seeming loathing of Abbas K, as a critical fallback to make me interesting. There are films where I love the stillness, the seeming boredom (L'Humanite springs to mind) but is that the film getting me at the right time? It is possibly a touch unfair on the film for me to go and see them when I am a bit tired, and then blame it for me falling asleep.
I think there is something remarkbaly deep yet also ridiculously banal about the quote Enrique just pulled. That will also probably depend on the moment.
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― admrl, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link
Some notes on the statements of filmmakers like Kiarostami, M Makhmalbaf and Marjane Satrapi in the current crisis:
http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/outsidetheframe/archive/2009/06/17/iran-losing-direction.aspx
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 18 June 2009 13:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Kiarostami speaks out on the arrests of Jafar Panahi and Mahmoud Rasoulof:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/09/iranian-filmmaker-speaks-out-on-prisoners/
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link
did anyone see no one knows about persian cats?
― egregious apostrophising (schlump), Friday, 26 March 2010 02:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Reading the Kiarostami open letter about Panahi was somehow painful: a true tightrope walking exercise.
― Marco Damiani, Friday, 26 March 2010 09:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Close-Up gets a week's revival in NYC today.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 March 2010 11:49 (fourteen years ago) link
"did anyone see no one knows about persian cats?"
I did. It's great.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Sunday, 9 May 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
man holy shit
― schlump, Monday, 20 December 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh that's horrible
― =(^ • ‿‿ • ^)= (corey), Monday, 20 December 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah that breaks my heart. Let's try to get him out of there!
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
if anyone needs a helicopter jailbreak it's him
― =(^ • ‿‿ • ^)= (corey), Monday, 20 December 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Awful, but I suppose not terribly shocking, news. I've only seen Offside and Crimson Gold but they're both amazing.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 21 December 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
absolutely love Offside, The White Balloon was v nice, The Circle was dece. this outcome is predictably sad.
― zvookster, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Pretty incredible and sad, especially since so many great Iranian directors have benefited directly from state support (at least to an extent).
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 04:46 (thirteen years ago) link
sadly not a surprise
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 04:54 (thirteen years ago) link
yes, not quite sure how this is 'incredible', but it is awful
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 09:04 (thirteen years ago) link
nader and simin, a separation is pretty masterly, & pretty distressing. it seems on reflection like it was a labyrinthine, finely worked storyline, in which the foundations for the next turn or digression were quietly laid in each scene, but it doesn't seem flashy or over-worked while watching, just complicated and human. w/great performances from kids (& from leila hatami) & the sort of exhilarating peripheral look at urban iran you get in panahi's stuff (which it reminded me of, some, in its humanity and its gaze, but i couldn't work out if that was just because it was iran onscreen).
― devoted to boats (schlump), Sunday, 3 July 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
Best new foreign release I've seen since 4 months, 3 weeks.... What schlump says - finely worked. Also shot in a way that provokes all these ambiguities, plenty of obscuring in the shooting (you don't really get a good look at the distance between the door and the stairs) and plot (what happened to the money?).
Another fine perf was the grandfather - the shots of him looking - introducing this notion that he knew what was going on and what everyone was up to. Whether intentional or not I found it v powerful. Similarly the 11 year old that isn't spared - she learns to lie, and probably to repeat the flaws so evident in the adults.
For a near two hour film of very heated arguments between people it held my attention fairly easily - with a sorta flagging at the end: takes ages to get to a truth as to what happened then rushing off to a conlusion in the last 15 mins. Seemed unbalanced to me.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 20 August 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
With the shots of the stairs and the door it didn't give you much for a while. Sorta cleverly delays.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 20 August 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
this isn't ~spoilerish~, but fyi don't read if you haven't seen a separation--
oh god yeah, the grandfather. man. this film. yeah some of the performances are radiant, cf the kid. i feel like its success in stirring empathy and feeling towards the characters is exemplified by the whole stairwell thing - i think at distinct points i was specifically identifying with and feeling viscerally defensive of each party, there - well he was pushing her out, she left the old guy!, & then, he pushed her, he's straight up lying. & to resolve it that way - that he guesses he knew, but that in that moment he didn't?, it just feels like such a mature, complicated, real thing to try to represent that could seem like a cop-out.
i think i felt compelled throughout, i forget. have you seen about elly? i think i remember hearing that it was a little maybe unambitious or light, but i probably oughtta check it.
― sweatpants life trajectory (schlump), Saturday, 20 August 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
i'm so annoyed i missed this in glasgow. friends were raving about it too.
― jed_, Saturday, 20 August 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
it was nice to see, b/c intense & absorbing & because of a really beautiful green kitchen, but i don't think it'll all evaporate on a small screen.
i could watch iranian films all day i think (& i oughtta). psyched for the next rasoulof, whenever it surfaces.
― sweatpants life trajectory (schlump), Saturday, 20 August 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
Haven't seen About Elly
but that in that moment he didn't?, it just feels like such a mature, complicated, real thing to try to represent that could seem like a cop-out.
otm. A lot of the film was v 'universal'. The iranian system is indicted for not providing support: so much argument as there aren't any intermediaries. And yet his admission that he knew of her pregnancy but not at that moment might have landed him in trouble anywhere.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 20 August 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
"because of a really beautiful green kitchen"
i have to see this!
― jed_, Saturday, 20 August 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
oh well, i- i don't want you to envisage some kinda insane jodorowsky-esque centrepiece in an entirely green kitchen; it's just there are these scenes in a kitchen tiled with these pure-green tiles & it was really arresting to me, sorta - to backtrack to what i said before - the same way that getting a look at any of the houses/streetscenes are compelling just as being a neat visual insight into another country. i think i saw it not long after i saw cassavetes' minnie & moskowitz, which has a great, '70s pink kitchen scene, so i was maybe especially attuned to this sorta thing & it could perhaps pass by unnoticed. just pretty is all, and representative of the film's attractive deep tones.
― sweatpants life trajectory (schlump), Saturday, 20 August 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
i wasn't thinking crazy kitchen. i'm looking forward to seeing it ;)
― jed_, Saturday, 20 August 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
artificial eye, i guess
― sweatpants life trajectory (schlump), Saturday, 20 August 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
wanna see the new panahi so bad
tape store (if you are here), were you putting on the new rasoulof film? have you seen it?
― and my soul said you can't go there (schlump), Saturday, 17 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
Panahi film has been picked up for US distrib
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 September 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i saw, w/'coming soon'. are you seeing at nyff?
― and my soul said you can't go there (schlump), Saturday, 17 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
yep
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 September 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
aw. i should hush & watch the couple i haven't seen, but knowing a little about it - even the limits of equipment, n/m movement or censorship - has me excited. everyone everywhere is loving a separation, also, pleasingly, & also the other iranian thing from sundance - coincidences, maybe?
― and my soul said you can't go there (schlump), Saturday, 17 September 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
Love Still Life
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 November 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
Saw it years ag on C4, but end up think about it every now and again. iirc The story is too simple to have a plot (a bit Tokyo Story-y at times), or to have much of theme (capitalism destroying the old ways felt tacked on) but the still-ness of the image, the acting/staging just sucks you in. The final shot takes you breath away.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 November 2011 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
Pleased to see some mention of Bahman Ghobadi on this thread. I have only seen Persian Cats, Turtles Can Fly and A Time For Drunken Horses, but they were all fantastic.
I rewatched The Apple last night and it is such a strange, wonderful movie.
― dollar eye twinkling (admrl), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 13:35 (twelve years ago) link
http://hyperallergic.com/47086/censored-iranian-filmmaker-shoots-film-entirely-on-iphones/
Never saw this
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
I saw that, it is great
― dollar eye twinkling (admrl), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
hugely sad i couldnt see that at tiff
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
it's just coming out theatrically?, at least in the us & uk
the apple kills. it would make a good double bill w/poto & cabengo. i watched it w/some friends, once, & the turnaround from its first twenty minutes, which are in all senses of the words hard to watch, & seemed to just subdue and depress the room, to the kinda errant jubilance of the rest, was amazing.
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
Panahi out in April, can't wait.
As is The Apple, watched that over Xmas - good call on Poto & Cabengo, read a rev of the Gorin DVDs so will be on it at some point.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
All of the Gorin films are great (even My Crasy Life, which gets a bad rep). I saw THIS IS NOT A FILM at AFI Fest
― love, light, and walkabout-thinking (admrl), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
Some legal background re A Separation's plot:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2012/02/a-separation-iran-law.html
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 March 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
Thx for the link Morbs
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 2 March 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, interesting article.
― MrDasher, Friday, 2 March 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
thank you for that link.
a separation is really good. i can't think of another film where the feelings and stakes and motivations of so many characters were so complex, at times obscure, and seemingly constantly shifting. totally riveting, even though i don't know that i'll ever be able to sort it out. i can see why it got a surprise nomination for best original screenplay. it's a very clever film. but also an intellectually challenging one, i think.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 2 March 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link