Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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I win again!

caek, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 18:45 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ruth_fowler/2008/03/the_antichrist_for_feminists.html

A+++++++++ trolling well done guardian u win

banriquit, Sunday, 30 March 2008 23:06 (sixteen years ago) link

I stood on the edge of that enormous comments thread with a sense of trepidation I haven't felt since standing on the edge of the top diving board at the swimming pool aged nine. And then decided to walk back down the virtual ladder, straight back into the changing room, and back home.

Matt DC, Sunday, 30 March 2008 23:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Ruth Fowler was born in 1979 and grew up in the mountains of North Wales. She received a first class BA (Hons) in English Literature from Cambridge University in 2000. She is sure they let her in as the token comprehensive school northerner.

After a year teaching in Buenos Aires and three months in India, she returned to King’s College, Cambridge to complete an MPhil. However, realising that she would rather be living life than reading about it, she finished her thesis on Bollywood films within six months and went to live in Nepal.

Post-Nepal, she travelled the world eking out a living from writing, teaching, sailing, cooking and begging. Ruth lived in Argentina, the South of France, the Alps, Florida, the Caribbean and Central America before finding herself in New York in January 2005, penniless and without a visa.

She has worked as a stripper in Manhattan and London, and her book, No Man's Land - about " the murky territory where eroticism and commerce collide" - is due to be published in the UK in June.

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 30 March 2008 23:21 (sixteen years ago) link

This is a made-up character, right?

Matt DC, Sunday, 30 March 2008 23:22 (sixteen years ago) link

"But Mark, we cann'ae afford it!"

Matt DC, Sunday, 30 March 2008 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Man, Eastenders was my shit back in 98/99.

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 30 March 2008 23:25 (sixteen years ago) link

According to Mark's speech to Sharon in his last episode, he only had sex with Ruth once or maybe twice in the course of their whole marriage. No wonder she played away with that rubbish Irish lothario.

Matt DC, Sunday, 30 March 2008 23:27 (sixteen years ago) link

This reminds me of many articles about people who have done all right and would like to justify their wealth to people who haven't done all right. I'm not sure what the purpose of such articles is, unless it is for some form of...validation?

laxalt, Monday, 31 March 2008 06:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Ruth Fowler: she made a g today, but she made it in a sleazy way.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 31 March 2008 08:32 (sixteen years ago) link

quality shit:

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1603/hadleydv9.png

banriquit, Monday, 31 March 2008 08:48 (sixteen years ago) link

The article was a bit TL;DR, the bits I read, the writer's style/manner was too annoying to concentrate on what she was on about "working class scouser, me, call a spade a spade, like" seemed to be the gist of it?

Pashmina, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:22 (sixteen years ago) link

My father, a right-wing scouser

AKA scum of the earth

Tom D., Monday, 31 March 2008 09:24 (sixteen years ago) link

key line:

I started to think of feminism more when what I was doing in life became unconditionally anti-feminist. I was grinding cock for a living in a strip club, getting my tits out - c'mon, there's no way around it. I was even more the antichrist for feminists. And suddenly I was heralded as a Messiah for Modern Women!

by?

also lols at blog: that famous, pre-9/11, NYC skyline...

banriquit, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:25 (sixteen years ago) link

"working class scouser, me, call a spade a spade, like"

-- Pashmina, Monday, March 31, 2008 9:22 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Julie Birchill RIP

Dom Passantino, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:28 (sixteen years ago) link

by?

Max Gogarty

Tom D., Monday, 31 March 2008 09:28 (sixteen years ago) link

It's weird she mentions her father so much because you wouldn't have thought someone who worked in the sex industries would have any issues that way.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Roffle.

I tried to read the entire article, couldn't make it through it, it is really very badly written.

I got the impression that if you met the writer IRL, they'd be really boring and whiny.

Also, I hate this steez "I am really stupid and obnoxious and full of shit, and I'm going to rub your face in it because I think that makes me more "real"/"interesting"/"whatever"(::rollseyes.gif::) than you, little person"

Yes, the Guardian is much worse than it used to be. Kind of like CH4, really.

Pashmina, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:33 (sixteen years ago) link

If you could buy it without G2 or any of the supplements, it might concievably be worth picking up again.

Pashmina, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Have you considered just throwing G2 away or burning it or never bothering to ever read it?

Matt DC, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Careful there Pash, she'll get her father on to you (xxp)

Tom D., Monday, 31 March 2008 09:36 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't think there's a newspaper that wouldn't be improved by removing the lifestyle supplements and the columnists. Except The Sun of course, a paper without real talking man of the people Gaunty is like a month without sunshine.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Hey! But then you'd miss out on that excellent crossword!

I only get it on Saturdays, mainly for the Review. And that crossword.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Araucaria's the only real crossword dude on there, the rest of them used to be suck.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:38 (sixteen years ago) link

(Apologies if this has changed in the last 5 years or however long it's been)

Noodle Vague, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Have you considered just throwing G2 away or burning it or never bothering to ever read it?

-- Matt DC, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:35 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I think I've mentioned a couple of times, I buy it once or twice a week on the way home, Jill likes to do the crossword. I never read it, it's too boring, too London/Westminster-orientated, too media-covering-the-media-ish, like a lot of former "quality" media - everyone they ever do a vox pop on seems to be a "journalist and a broadcaster" I don't think Jill ever reads it much either, she's a bbc news website addict.

Pashmina, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:42 (sixteen years ago) link

The Age and SMH are Australia's equivalent to the Guardian, and you'll all be pleased to know that they've gone to shit in exactly the same way.

xp I'm not surprised, it's probably the closest thing to proper news outside The Independent.

Autumn Almanac, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:44 (sixteen years ago) link

everyone they ever do a vox pop on seems to be a "journalist and a broadcaster"

This is because what happens is the hack writes a piece, and it's shit because it's something they don't care about like a new dating service that instead of normal speed dating uses chilli cook offs. Then the editor will come back to the hack and say "We need some quotes on this", so the hack goes to their MSN Messenger and asks the first five people online what they think of this. So then you have "Peter Peterson, a freelance journalist, doesn't see the appeal of chili dating: 'What is this rubbish?", he quipped"

Dom Passantino, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:47 (sixteen years ago) link

'left wing' paper yet again with "I'm All Right Jack" piece. next week, "Let them Eat Cake: Now I make a good living, I don't believe in redistribution of wealth".

laxalt, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Though, to be fair, every 'lifestyle section' of every newspaper is basically "Hello I'm Rich, please be quiet"

laxalt, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Though I guess we're moving into the "Hello I used to be rich, then I realised it was all on credit, please feel sorry for me now" stage

laxalt, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:53 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm fairly sure you could program a computer to just churn out Laxalt posts at this stage.

Matt DC, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Rosie Millard lols

laxalt, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:54 (sixteen years ago) link

i kind of feel that this chick's editors could be done for soliciting -- anyway hope she's a better 'dancer' than writer.

banriquit, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Surely all responses to all Guardian threads could be automated quite easily

laxalt, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:56 (sixteen years ago) link

i kind of feel that this chick's editors could be done for soliciting -- anyway hope she's a better 'dancer' than writer.

-- banriquit, Monday, March 31, 2008 9:56 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Like Perp.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Expect about a years worth of ditzy articles in which the lifestyle columist downsizes, moves to heckmondwyke, bleats in 52 x 1000wd article about IE why oh why does the local supermarket not stay open till 3am, then moves back to London, has some rank soul-crisis about it`which translates into a cover feature in the saturday magazine. TBH I envy lifestyle columnistsSurely all responses to all Guardian threads could be automated quite easily

-- laxalt, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:56 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Well, yes.

Pashmina, Monday, 31 March 2008 10:00 (sixteen years ago) link

iirc 'not linking to guardian articles' was my new year's resolution.

IN 2004!!!1!!

banriquit, Monday, 31 March 2008 10:02 (sixteen years ago) link

I need to find a Stalinbot jpeg.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 31 March 2008 10:02 (sixteen years ago) link

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Matt DC, Monday, 31 March 2008 10:05 (sixteen years ago) link

anyway hope she's a better 'dancer' than writer.

Maybe cock-grinding is harder than it looks

Tom D., Monday, 31 March 2008 10:07 (sixteen years ago) link

That article is pretty sharp. It's nice to feel for once that I'm not the one being trolled by the Guardian.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 31 March 2008 10:10 (sixteen years ago) link

aren't you?

banriquit, Monday, 31 March 2008 10:12 (sixteen years ago) link

i mean unless you too are a narcissistic, libertarian, alt.sex-worker who grinds commissioning editor cock...

banriquit, Monday, 31 March 2008 10:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Aren't we all these days?

Matt DC, Monday, 31 March 2008 10:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Tits oot for the commissioning editors!

Tom D., Monday, 31 March 2008 10:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Cancelled my subscription. If they're so keen on Raefists to read them then they can take their money, not mine.

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 31 March 2008 10:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Incredibly long, dreadfully bad interview, like a parody by 1980s Amis maybe:

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/celebrity/story/0,,2269466,00.html

not sure what it has to do with 'health'

the pinefox, Monday, 31 March 2008 14:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Wow, terrible!

Tom D., Monday, 31 March 2008 14:04 (sixteen years ago) link


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