Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

So this afternoon, CNN showed the Austin Statesman edit, 4 minutes, I think, of the 77-minute video, which has been scheduled to be shown by State Authoritahs to survivors in a few days (some parents said to be posting on Fecebook etc about being upset by this leak, Authoritahs def upset by it). Even with children's voices and gunfire edited out here, the short version was almost unbearable, can't imagine parents watching the full-length, full-audio thing. Watching the cops, yeah, that's what's left---well you do see the shooter entering the school and a classroom in a very business-like way, opposite most of the cops, who hang back and peep around corners as 2-3 of them run up to classroom door, then back down the hall, and nooobody's in charge. A mix of local and other uniforms, all training, incl. April exercise and the pages of lessons posted upthread have vanished like snows of yesteryear in places where it still snows. uggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh

can't imagine parents watching the full-length, full-audio thing. Or this cut---I'm sure some were blindsided by it.

I don't feel bad for the pigs but I feel like these guys are gonna be haunted by this their entire lives. they let kids get murdered.

These pigs definitely already think they're the victims here and couldn't give a fuck about the kids, just bathing in cry-bully whiny self pity

_I don't feel bad for the pigs but I feel like these guys are gonna be haunted by this their entire lives. they let kids get murdered._


These pigs definitely already think they're the victims here and couldn't give a fuck about the kids, just bathing in cry-bully whiny self pity

ok you're probably right

the footage is so fucking infuriating, cops just dawdling around, one of 'em has a big grin on his face, another has his cell phone out and you can see his home screen is the blue lives matter Punisher flag

Cops are like pro wrestlers, except unlike wrestlers, their adoring fans don't know they're fake

Shot by a "good guy with a gun." Has that ever happened before?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gunman-kills-three-in-indiana-mall-before-being-shot-by-armed-bystander/ar-AAZGwkG?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=60dbf6d2d11e4eeb855f0f11a620a7e1

Texas church shooting a few years ago, though only after the gunman killed 20+

Yeah, that's the thing. Even in the best-case GGWG scenario, there are almost always already dead people by the time the Lone Ranger rides in.

So much in this, w CNN viewing "hours of bodycam footage" as well as quoting most inclusive report so far---struck by this in the latter:

Uvalde shooting report describes multiple failures and a 'lackadaisical approach' by law enforcement

The 77-page "interim report," first made available to the victims' families, described "an overall lackadaisical approach" by nearly 400 officers who responded, a number of whom were from federal agencies...The report found "the entirety of law enforcement and its training, preparation, and response shares systemic responsibility for many missed opportunities."
According to the report, police who made entry knew there had been gunfire, evidenced by a "cloud of debris" in the hallway, bullet holes in the walls and spent rifle casings on the floor.
But there was no evidence officers had "any contemporaneous understanding, as they arrived in the building, that teachers and students just then had been shot inside the classrooms."
It would be more than an hour before officers finally breached the classroom, killing the shooter.
According to the committee's report, first responders "lost critical momentum" by treating the situation as a "barricaded subject" scenario, which calls for a more measured response compared to an active shooter.
f they had recognized the situation as an active shooter scenario, they should have prioritized the "rescue of innocent victims over the precious time wasted in a search for door keys, and shields to enhance the safety of law enforcement responders," the report states.

Of the 376 responders on scene, 149 were from the United States Border Patrol, 14 were from the Department of Homeland Security and 91 were from the Texas Department of Public Safety. The report did not state when officers from each responding agency arrived on scene.

..."My approach and thought was responding as a police officer. And so I didn't title myself," Arredondo said in the investigative report.

The report also noted others could have assumed command.
Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training "teaches that any law enforcement officer can assume command, that somebody must assume command, and that an incident commander can transfer responsibility as an incident develops," it says.
"That did not happen at Robb Elementary, and the lack of effective incident command is a major factor that caused other vital measures to be left undone," according to the report.

Breakdown in communication
...Arredondo previously told the Texas Tribune he left his two radios outside the school because he wanted his hands free to hold his gun.
Robb Elementary had its own issues, per the investigative report, which found that poor WiFi "likely delayed the lockdown alert" the day of the shooting. Not all teachers received the report immediately, and the school intercom was not used to communicate during the lockdown.
"As a result, not all teachers received timely notice of the lockdown," the report says.
Additionally, the school had what the report calls "recurring problems" with doors and locks, including the locking mechanism to room 111, which was "widely known to be faulty, yet it was not repaired."
"Robb Elementary had a culture of noncompliance with safety policies requiring doors to be kept locked, which turned out to be fatal," the report says.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/18/us/5-key-takeaways-uvalde-report-and-video/index.html

https://www.vice.com/en/article/akevd5/denver-cops-mass-shooting

So the GGWGs should have shot the cops, yeah?

This is the problem with the GGWG scenario, too. Only a matter of time before some armed vigilante does the same. We need less guns not more.. cops included.

i'll never forget an interview i saw with a guy who was nearby the gabby giffords shooting and was armed, ran towards the sound of the shots with his gun drawn, rounded a corner and saw a guy with a gun and came within an instant of firing before he realized it was the cops and they had already taken the shooter down. he seemed truly shaken and haunted by the idea that he came within a split second of shooting a bunch of people for no good reason.

If he was a cop he would have thought up a good reason

xp
I remember that same incident.

Prez OTM

I was fortunate enough to see a screening of the new Gabby Giffords documentary, "Gabby Giffords Won't Back Down," last night. Highly, highly recommended. It works on so many levels, from an indictment of gun violence to a story of absolutely heroic resilience and determination. Gabby was there afterwards for a Q&A and lots of hugs. She is a remarkable human being.

I should have said, "an indictment of political inaction on gun violence."

Gunman killed 3 at state park before dying from self-inflicted wound, Iowa authorities say. It appears he was camping with the three, but no info on how he related to them. (Poorly, lol.)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/gunman-killed-3-at-state-park-before-dying-from-self-inflicted-wound-iowa-authorities-say/ar-AAZSaVT

Should be MUCH bigger news: A white suburban man drove to Englewood, which is predominantly Black, shot at a park early Thurs a.m., was arrested w 5 guns (including an AR-15), 1,000+ rounds &handwritten notes that "contained incoherent rants & references to mass shooting events.” https://t.co/MzG4HtaSNM

— Hannah Meisel (@hannahmeisel) August 6, 2022

A gunman has killed at least eleven people in a mass shooting in Montenegro. The shooter, who had apparently been involved in a family dispute, was reportedly killed after opening fire at police officers.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/gunman-shoots-at-least-11-dead-in-montenegro/ar-AA10BAWU

Three people were injured in a shooting in the parking lot of the Six Flags Great America amusement park in Gurnee, Illinois, Sunday night, the park confirmed.

The shots were fired from a single vehicle, which then drove away "immediately" after the shooting, the park's communication specialist Rachel Kendziora said.
Emergency personnel responded immediately and two people were transported to the hospital. A third injured person declined treatment, Kendziora said.
"Park security personnel and officers from the on-site Gurnee Police Department Substation responded immediately," according to Kendziora. Both Gurnee police and the Lake County Sheriff's Office were handling the scene Sunday night, she said.

There is "no indication it's an active shooter at this time," Lake County Deputy Chief Christopher Covelli told CNN.
The park closed early in response to the shooting, Kendziora said.
Gurnee is located about an hour's drive north of Chicago.
Michael Pontrelli and his family were at the park when the shooting occurred. He told CNN he had just gotten off the Superman ride when he witnessed groups of people running away from the entrance.
"Then we (saw a) swarm of parents shuttling their kids, so my family and I hid between these two walls waiting for clearance," he said. "Cops were running in armed and escorting everyone out."

an amusement park, yes, of course. an underrepresented venue for shootings thus far but really such an obvious target when you think about it. those long lines of families all clustered together, the noise to cover the sound of shots. perfect.

Reminds me of the movie Targets (sniper at a drive in theater).

i cant imagine how terrifying that would be

I thought I saw that the Great America shooting was spillover from a dispute that started somewhere else. That's why it ended with random shots taken from a car in a parking lot. Not that that makes it any better, just criminal vs. terrorist. The amusement park and guests were not targets, just in the way.

Our local Six Flags added metal detectors this year.

I think this one has them, too. Which is why this happened in the parking lot.

Holy shit we were considering going there this weekend

This one at an East Oakland school complex, up the freeway from me... apparently no children injured:

https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-school-shooting-injures-6

Horrific. An ex-cop, what a surprise.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/least-20-people-killed-mass-shooting-thailand-police-2022-10-06/

Christ the details in that story make it even more horrific.

When he did not find his child there, he began the killing spree, Paisal said. "He started shooting, slashing, killing children at the Utai Sawan daycare centre," Paisal said. wtf'nf? idgi and wtf? "already stressed? ?

Multiple people were wounded Thursday in Raleigh, North Carolina in what authorities described as an “active shooting."

At least three people were being treated at a local hospital. No more information was immediately disclosed. https://t.co/FlYLbOzhvr

— The Associated Press (@AP) October 13, 2022

i'm sorry to say that 3 people died at the school shooting in st. louis today. a student, an adult, and the shooter. i live a block away and was out walking my dog when it happened shortly after 9am. i heard loud noise in the distance, but assumed it was a loud truck or a car driving over a metal plate or something like that. a minute or two later, i heard 2 more loud shots, and remember saying to Bird "that sounds like gunshots" and being proud of her for not freaking out at the sounds like she normally does. i immediately started headed home and saw just a crazy amount of police cars (for STL) rushing down kingshighway, toward the school on the corner. i got inside with Bird and let my neighbors know, then looked out my back window to look for the helicopters. then i heard the shooter die. there were dozens of rounds going off at once, obviously multiple weapons, and then no more gunshots afterward.

ST. LOUIS — At least three people were killed, including the suspect, and seven more were injured after a shooting Monday morning at Central Visual & Performing Arts High School in south St. Louis.

A woman died at a hospital, and a teen girl was pronounced dead inside the school, both of gunshot wounds.

The suspect, a male not yet identified but estimated to be in his 20s, was shot inside the school and pronounced dead at a hospital.

The shooting was reported after 9 a.m. at South Kingshighway and Arsenal Street. School doors were locked Monday morning and there were seven security workers on site, police said, but they would not indicate how the shooter got inside the building.

David Williams, a math teacher at the school, said the school principal came over the loudspeaker around 9 a.m. and said the code word that indicates a school shooter in the building. Williams heard multiple shots outside his classroom, and one of the windows on the classroom door was shot out. He then heard a man say, "You are all going to (expletive) die."

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/at-least-6-injured-after-shooting-inside-south-st-louis-high-school-suspect-detained/article_0c3f8f55-e757-506c-b08a-27884257136e.html

the immediacy of the police response was kind of astonishing, tbh. it all happened very quickly.

i haven't been in a school environment for quite a while, so i'm also kind of taken aback by the amount of security/preparation that was already in place -- that they locked the doors to the building, for example, and that the kids knew the "code word" that the principal announced over the loudspeakers, all of that. from early reports it sounds like the school's security guard identified the shooter approaching early and warned everyone. everyone did everything they could. but this dude just fucking killed two people and injured several more. apparently his gun kept jamming, too

Jesus Christ

there were seven on-duty security guards when this happened

damn, the code word thing is really sad

Holy shit Karl, that's gnarly... what a stupid, useless tragedy

Karl, glad you’re OK.

Hope you're hanging in there KM. The first time I went out to pick up food during the pandemic, May 2020, the guy in front of me in line ordered food, walked down the street, and was shot by someone in a drive-by about twenty yards away. Automatic weapon fire is not something one soon forgets. When I heard it at first, not knowing what was up, I immediately thought that was it. That I'd gone out for food and I was going to get killed for it.

ST. LOUIS — New details have emerged about the gunman who killed two and injured six others Monday morning in a shooting at a south St. Louis high school.

Police identified the Central Visual and Performing Arts High School gunman as 19-year-old Orlando Harris during a news conference Monday evening. Harris graduated from the high school in 2021 and had no criminal history.

Multiple sources familiar with the investigation told 5 On Your Side's Christine Byers the following information about the attack and what led up to it.

Sources said Harris left a note behind in his car with a list of school shootings across the country, the names of the shooters and death tolls from each of the incidents. In the note, he said he wanted to be the next national school shooter.

The note also included a detailed account of where he bought the AR-15 used in the shooting. He said he previously tried to purchase the weapon at a St. Charles County gun show but was turned down. Then, he purchased the gun from a private dealer.

Also in his car, the gunman had a map of Central Visual and Performing Arts High School and clearly planned out his attack.

He was dressed in black and wearing a pair of earplugs as he started his attack Monday morning on the first floor of the school. On him, he had almost a dozen high-capacity magazines that each held 30 rounds.

St. Louis police held a press conference Tuesday morning to talk about some of the new details that emerged.

St. Louis Interim Police Chief Michael Sack read from the note Harris left.

"I don’t have any friends; I don’t have any family. I’ve never had a girlfriend; I've never had a social life. I've been an isolated loner my entire life. This was the perfect storm for a mass shooter," Harris wrote in the note.

During the press conference, Sack said, "If you see something, say something."

He talked about the importance of being aware of individuals with mental illnesses and reporting anything that doesn't seem right. He said it's important to get help to those individuals to prevent these kinds of tragedies.

My father was, until recently, an English teacher at what was then called Cleveland Junior Naval Academy - literally around the corner from Central.

Darkly fun fact, Cleveland was NJROTC - which meant it was perfectly normal for students to carry swords while also signing a "no weapons" pledge.

Kindest of thoughts to St. Louisan peeps.

that note is pretty disturbing, as if he's removed from his own situation and looking at it objectively. "when you list it off i share lots of qualities w/ school shooters so hey i decided to become one"

otm

yeah. in the aftermath of these things, the first thing everyone always wants to know is who did it and why. so often, there is no real good reason. the world seems so awful to them that the act of killing innocent people doesn't seem much worse, i guess. and then, all else equal, might as well go out with a bang, so to speak. very dark.

it is sad that people probably think "at least only two died" at this point

dang, omar. did that guy live?

what is wild to me with the schools is when they've already graduated. ffs you were out. hopeless and insane. too sad

No idea what happened — he was definitely shot and down but it didn’t even make the local news.

I called LAPD to ask about it and they said they couldn’t tell me anything, could only confirm there was a shooting.