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lingering on that "World's Greatest Lawyer" mug a few minutes after the reveal that Kim is no longer a lawyer was pretty good

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 18:43 (one year ago) link

yeah that whole thing was brilliant b/c she knows something that nobody else there does - that Howard and her were on bad terms, and had been for a long time, essentially blaming her. definitely the low point of her character

ah yes, I'm a bit slow and was trying to work out what the 1.5 years ago thing was but obviously she knew when Howard and his wife started 'separating' and was making it tie to that - where/how did she find out about this? Was it one of Howard's earnest pleas? I remember Howard saying but not the context.

kinder, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 20:07 (one year ago) link

Thought this episode was mostly a collection of rather self-conscious set pieces in the BCS style, and overall a bit too aware of itself.

Luna Schlosser, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 20:18 (one year ago) link

Def my jam: That intro montage with all the shameless match cuts ending exactly where you know it will, with j&k staring at the spot where what didn’t happen happened, then gus driving to the cartel meet with that throbbing music cue (tptr vibes this season at times) I was like 10 mins with almost no dialogue, “things we already know”… yes… ha ha ha… yes!

Loved then going into gus’s evening off - I thought we might be staying with him for the whole rest of the ep (I’m among those itt that have criticised how they’ve handled him in this but there have been moments like this & last week’s call to Lyle)

Howard bringin the lols from beyond the grave

I think we’ll prob get more Kim but it would be kind of awesome if this were her actual exit from the show

Wiggum Dorma (wins), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 21:38 (one year ago) link

xpost to myself - looks like that was a mere two eps ago in the mid-finale when he tells them 'I've been sleeping in the guest house for the better part of a year.'

kinder, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 21:55 (one year ago) link

Mike's kicking back with a beer, fuckin finally, and then calls Nachos' father

and it's right after Mike's been staring at his granddaughter's toys. the little monologue he gives is basically what he wanted someone to say about his own son, or what he wishes he could believe

mh, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 23:58 (one year ago) link

but Mike's dirty in his own way, and Nacho's father wasn't

mh, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 23:59 (one year ago) link

It’s a bit different because Mike’s son stayed honest, he was killed because he wasn’t bent.

Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 00:05 (one year ago) link

The Gus scene was really great, one of the few times you see him act outside of a scheme or a coverup. At first I thought this was where he gets the idea to poison the cartel but in retrospect it’s probably more remembering what happened to his ex boyfriend

frogbs, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 00:15 (one year ago) link

xp lol I misremembered

mh, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 00:56 (one year ago) link

Finally caught up on these last two episodes, and man, they did some impressively radical, or at least subversive things. First they get rid of their larger than life, almost comically charismatic multi-season monster villain after a ton of build up in kind of a pretty straight-forward way, which of course they can do, because the *real* villain of the show is the one we know from "Breaking Bad," which means we also know that nothing can happen to him (or Saul, or Mike), which makes the show's sustained tension and suspense all the more impressive. And *then* they manage to almost perfectly extract Kim from the picture and fast forward all in one fell swoop, still with four episodes to go, which is almost the ultimate audacious pull the tablecloth off magic trick. Just masterfully handled all around with a kind of perfect formal precision that I can agree runs the risk of coming off self-aware, but maybe because it *has to be* so self-aware, not just of the mythology it needs to set in motion and adhere to but its particular eccentric rhythms and aesthetics, which along with being technically entertaining also come off a little surreal and disorienting, which again helps keep a story whose broader conclusion we already know stay compelling. It's all so almost ... mathematical.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 02:44 (one year ago) link

Yeah, absolutely, to keep guiding this thing through the years, with Bob's heart attack and Covid restrictions and who knows what other considerations added to the strictures of this freakin' prequel (bet some are saying, behind the scenes, "Never will I get involved in one of these again," sure)
"That's not justice, it's just revenge. You gangsters are all alike." That's what it all comes down to, that's all Mike could do for his own son, was kill the even dirtier cops who killed said son.
'I've been sleeping in the guest house for the better part of a year.' Jimmy and Kim look concerned. As well they might: it could be the opening line of a Loudon Wainwright III song.

dow, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 03:28 (one year ago) link

Mike talking to Nacho's dad... Mike has a decent working knowledge of Spanish doesn't he? So he pretended to not know even the most basic, 'justicia', so that Varga sr. would talk unguarded in his mother tongue, clever. This post started out as a question and I realised what was up as I was typing lol

Led By Honkies (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 21 July 2022 08:56 (one year ago) link

I'm no longer an attorney" was some great delivery too

It was a great line and great delivery - but is it really believable that Kim would just give up law so abruptly? Isn’t it an area where she strongly believes she can do a lot of good?

I’ll hold judgment until I see the full Kim resolution though and (perhaps) see what she does do.

Luna Schlosser, Thursday, 21 July 2022 10:12 (one year ago) link

She's been steadily working her way down the ladder, iirc. Big law firm. Big law firm, but focused on pro bono work. Smaller boutique law firm but still really preferring pro bono, and dipping into scams with Jimmy. Working for herself but still focusing on small clients and pro bono work, plus bigger scams. But the way she gave it up so abruptly ... I guess it does depend on what happens next. If Jimmy enabled her to break bad, then you'd think it'd be easy to just move on from Jimmy. Yet those occasional flashbacks to her childhood have implied something more going on, and the promise of Carol Burnett as perhaps her mom (though it's anyone's guess) might answer a few questions.

Jimmy, fwiw, has been working his way down the ladder, too, but he's suited for the first rung, or lower. He pulled himself out of the ooze but in the end prefers it down there.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 July 2022 13:34 (one year ago) link

how quickly we forget the distinction between a criminal attorney and a criminal attorney

mh, Thursday, 21 July 2022 13:42 (one year ago) link

if better call saul characters were on politics twitter

kim: warren-to-biden. feels vaguely gross about it. reads a lot of 538
jimmy/saul: tulsi or yang, not voting in the general
howard: bloomberg obv
lalo, gus: trump probably, gus might be a return-to-normal biden type

— 𝒌𝒆𝒗𝒊𝒏 𝒌𝒆𝒍𝒍𝒆𝒓 (@radiokeller) April 10, 2020

based on patrick fabian’s recent likes (liz cheney, the lincoln project), I feel proud to stand by this tweet I made when I was stoned 2 years ago

k3vin k., Monday, 25 July 2022 10:00 (one year ago) link

howard is totally a radical centrist

symsymsym, Monday, 25 July 2022 14:56 (one year ago) link

I can see Kim giving up the law: she's always evidenced more of a sense of right and wrong, and of personal responsibility than Slippin' Jimmy->Saul, as Howard said to her there at the end, why he was surprised that she would get so into fucking with him (not surprised at all by Jimmy). She's had time for self-awareness to land and stay with her, not in the middle of the night, as has probably happened, as long as she was trying not to think about Lalo being out there somewhere--but in the daytime, in halls of justice etc., walking around and acting normal, per Mike's orders.

dow, Monday, 25 July 2022 19:23 (one year ago) link

Kim has become scarier than Gus, who would just have you killed: she's capable of torture, as with Howard and his wife (though yeah, also prob would have shot whoever answered the door, for love ov Jimmy).

dow, Monday, 25 July 2022 19:25 (one year ago) link

Lalo might torture you (or anyway Gus), then mercy-kill, in effect. Kim just tortures, leaves you twisting.

dow, Monday, 25 July 2022 19:27 (one year ago) link

Carol Burnett and Gene

Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 01:11 (one year ago) link

And Jeffie

Shit it’s The Rehearsal

Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 01:34 (one year ago) link

had to remind myself of who Jeffie was because I watched Season 5 more than two years ago, and lol different actor, but once I looked it up...pretty ingenious maneuver by Jimmy/Saul/Gene

Exterior daylight b&w cinematography was exquisite

calstars, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 02:32 (one year ago) link

the heist made me anxious af. always does. Jimmy NEVER plans for the unexpected happening and always has to wing it.

I mean shit, what if security guy had said "ugh, got bad diarrhea tonight, no buns for me plz"

Sammy Hagar

calstars, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 02:37 (one year ago) link

Before checking, I'm guessing the security guys were a call back to the episode where Gene got locked in that storage room, and Jeffie and his friend were the guys who spotted him in the mall. But my memory of all that is very hazy at this point.

I thought Carol Burnett was very good (both she and Odenkirk were on The Larry Sanders Show), the episode as a whole okay. As this show tends to do when it turns procedural, a lot of time to effectuate a basic plot point. Many people here love that about the show, but I never really have.

Gene promising "Scout's honor" an obvious Mad Men tribute.

clemenza, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 03:16 (one year ago) link

Loved Jeffie being Extremely Casual.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 04:17 (one year ago) link

I’ll tell you who must’ve loved this episode the Board of Directors at Cinnabon

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 12:44 (one year ago) link

Yeah this episode was another wheel-spinner but shows that Gene Takevic’s still got it.

Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 13:16 (one year ago) link

Neando: then Jeffie wouldn't have got the Go on his phone

The shirt at the end... is he just longing for that Saul style or have we seen this shirt somewhere?

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 13:51 (one year ago) link

I assumed the former.

WmC, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 13:53 (one year ago) link

laughed a lot at Gene doing Bob Odenkirk's I Think You Should Leave sketch when the heist starts going wrong

that whole scene felt like something from Uncut Gems. its the first time in 6 seasons where we really don't know what's gonna happen to him

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 14:04 (one year ago) link

I liked the straightforward single episode encapsulated heist format. Pretty obvious from the moment it was introduced that the floor polisher was going to be the unexpected variable, but how it played out was a great gag.

mh, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 14:11 (one year ago) link

Carol Burnett confirmed she's in multiple episodes fwiw

Really over the top stalling in the security room. Looking at the monitors constantly. Hard to believe they get away with it. Though maybe that's why they used an actor famous for being useless. Jerry was great.

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 14:23 (one year ago) link

I could watch a whole season of single episode heists like this

calstars, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 14:25 (one year ago) link

Also really nice to be away from the Kim / Hamlin / cartel drama

calstars, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 14:25 (one year ago) link

i thought originally he was bringing 'Jerry' the cinnabons so he would have a heart attack on the job and they could rob really easily

^^^ Yeah I thought that was going to be the flaw in the perfectly-oiled heist machine. I thought the mark on the floor was some devious thing Gene did for some reason.

Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:04 (one year ago) link

I liked the straightforward single episode encapsulated heist format. Pretty obvious from the moment it was introduced that the floor polisher was going to be the unexpected variable, but how it played out was a great gag.

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nearly being foiled by a slip n' fall is perfect. that was a hell of a pratfall too though when I watched it it seemed pretty clear when the stunt actor came in

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:18 (one year ago) link

okay so trying to get a grasp on what we know about the final 3 episodes:

Carol Burnett's character appears in "more than one" episode, so her & Jeffy will be back (I'm guessing Gene's ultimate fate will have something to do with something going wrong with these people?)
Jesse & Walt have a couple scenes, so some of it will be in the past
Francesca was told to make a phone call to a payphone at a specific time...?

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 16:16 (one year ago) link

Obvious, I suppose, but just because it animated the part of Jimmy's story I wanted to be watching, I liked the reference to the broke chemistry teacher he once knew who made a pile of money within a year.

clemenza, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 16:45 (one year ago) link

I was afraid Jeffy was dead for a moment

mh, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 17:35 (one year ago) link

loved the rhyming of the merch with the sequence -- 'Patagonia five to survive' etc

calstars, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 17:43 (one year ago) link

(xpost Jeffie dying) That would have taken some Jimmyspiration! Or if he'd just kept lying there with eyes closed a lot longer, wtf Jeffie??
Agree that it was refreshing to be away from the grinding plot machinery down south, and Burnett was totally charming; I bet she ends up accidentally causing Gene's downfall, if not demise, oh no gosh Sweetie Gene!
So, just to stay consistent and above suspicion, and maybe for companionship too, won't Gene have to keep up the Cinnabon sessions, at least with some regularity?
(At first, I was like, "Yeahhh, gimme one of those bad boys," but after countless close-ups of Jerry's ingestions, not so much.)

dow, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link

Although, now that I mention it, starting to want one now, at least 30 miles from likeliest mall. Dammit.

dow, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 17:49 (one year ago) link

I do not want to take the time to look up the dietary stats on the standard issue 'bon, but I know they're horrific.

I think I last had one in an airport on a business trip, and regretted it instantly and smelled the cream cheese and cinnamon for the rest of the day.

That said - I think if you cut directly to the center, and skipped the outer layers, you would be doing much better from a caloric standpoint and would get the best part of the 'bon.

Damnit. I think I kinda want one now, too.

TrumpPence a Bag (B.L.A.M.), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 18:02 (one year ago) link


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