Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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Really good thing about twitter is how there is a rebuttal to any single piece of nonsense published on the day.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 July 2022 14:53 (one year ago) link

lol, that was a very thorough rinsing. If they had a reputation to protect they'd nuke the article.

calzino, Friday, 29 July 2022 16:36 (one year ago) link

I found it interesting that just after the invasion of Ukraine the newspaper published several pieces by Simon Jenkins about the war - along the lines of "NATO's aggression has backfired / we must lift sanctions on Russia" - and then he seemed to lose interest in the topic. I remember wondering if the editor had told him to knock it off. Or if the editor was sick of him writing essentially the same piece over and over again.

For example all but two of his columns from March were about the war, and one of the other stories was about the uselessness of sanctions (albeit against Iran):
https://www.theguardian.com/profile/simonjenkins?page=2

But in April he only wrote two stories on the topic, and none at all in May, two in June, one in July. And most of them are really about domestic politics, only tangentially Ukraine.

When I saw "he wrote" I don't know how the editorial process works with opinion columnists in a national newspaper. Perhaps he wrote lots of pieces that were rejected, or perhaps the editor gave him a list of topics to cover. I just don't know. But it seems odd that with the war raging he decided not to cover it.

Ashley Pomeroy, Friday, 29 July 2022 17:36 (one year ago) link

jenkins has been staunchly anti-interventionist for a long time which has made him right by default on foreign policy a lot of the time and i used to rate him for that but it’s become increasingly clear that he very often just doesn’t know wtf he’s talking about

Tracer Hand, Friday, 29 July 2022 21:24 (one year ago) link

Thank you @pressgazette for breaking an industry silence on this and for including some points from me. It's good to talk as BT used to say. https://t.co/oMiP3Fs3Fa

— lucy siegle (@lucysiegle) August 2, 2022

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 10:35 (one year ago) link

bravo to GMG for such a fast response

calzino, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 11:08 (one year ago) link

hey it's not like there's over a decade of reports on this scumbag's behaviour

seo layer (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 11:10 (one year ago) link

He'll get plenty of work in The Spectator anyway.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 11:39 (one year ago) link

hmmm

I don't think this is why Nick Cohen has been suspended @Telegraph pic.twitter.com/zwyoMmroiG

— Moya Lothian-McLean (@mlothianmclean) August 2, 2022

built like a kit malthouse (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 August 2022 08:51 (one year ago) link

This guy is such a transphobic pest.

Hopefully this is the beginning of a change in athletic sports.

World Triathlon to allow transgender women to keep competing in female category.

However testosterone must now be less than 2.5nmol/L for 2yrs. And 4yrs "must have elapsed since the transgender athlete has competed as a male in any sporting competition”https://t.co/3vHhUM6XBS

— Sean Ingle (@seaningle) August 3, 2022

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 4 August 2022 08:55 (one year ago) link

Told some friends I was going to Turf Moor and they thought I'd become an Observer columnist

— Juliet. (@zinovievletter) August 12, 2022

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Friday, 12 August 2022 16:34 (one year ago) link

devastating satire of the guardian lifestyle section in (checks notes)...

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/ng-interactive/2022/aug/13/wild-swimming-its-bloody-horrible-stephen-collins-cartoon

link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 15 August 2022 07:51 (one year ago) link

wild swimming has been declared passé, since Laura Barton discovered bouldering whilst staying at a friend's spare house in Hebden Bridge

calzino, Monday, 15 August 2022 08:42 (one year ago) link

the mealy-mouthed requests for more "consensus" are absolutely infuriating

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 10:18 (one year ago) link

You need to registererase every John Harris opinion 2015-2019 from memory to keep reading

calzino, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 10:24 (one year ago) link

something quite sad about this one

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music

among the many things daniel dylan ray gets wrong here is that indie sleaze did not originally exist. it most certainly did! i have the metaphorical scars to prove it. made by studded white belts of course

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 12:03 (one year ago) link

I am unsure what that is, though interested that Tracer Hand was into it.

I think this article is fundamentally confused about 'enjoying music' vs 'getting into new music'. It is true that many older people, though not all, no longer get into new music, or music new to them. This is partially true for a great many of us, though it seems rarely to be wholly true; just a matter of degree. But it still wouldn't follow that the same people don't care about music at all. They might, in principle, be as passionate as ever about the music they loved aged 21.

If you don't resolve that ambiguity, as he doesn't, then the whole argument can't go anywhere.

There remains, I think, something interesting about the contrast between music and other arts here. He says 'what are you listening to?' has been replaced by 'what are you watching?', but doesn't think that if the former's loss is bad, the latter's gain might be good, and a sign that people still do like experiencing (new) stories.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 12:57 (one year ago) link

"I’ve not been able to give away free tickets to see Nick Cave, staggeringly expensive arena pop shows, or even entire festival weekend passes."

Well, you couldn't pay me $100 a minute to do any of these things, but that doesn't mean my enthusiasm for music has waned. That entire piece is framed through a "keeping up with pop" mindset, which frankly, fuck that.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 13:19 (one year ago) link

I mean, "incredible cost of participation" seems like an obvious axis that hasn't been considered by this article.

Outside of streaming, recorded music and live music are hideously expensive. Going to shows = babysitting = more expense. Houses and flats get smaller and smaller - where do you fit that stereo system in an 1 bedroom that's been converted into a 2.5 bedder with a tiny kitchen that's now also an "open plan living room"? Etc

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 13:48 (one year ago) link

Also ageing hearing = guitars sound worse and heavy bass is intolerable

And this also seems part of the "no one goes to the cinema anymore" story, which was happening well before the pandemic

Etc

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 13:50 (one year ago) link

Also ageing hearing = guitars sound worse and heavy bass is intolerable

i would say heavy bass gets more tolerable / desirable with ageing hearing.

i go to a lot of gigs and it is very noticeable that if it is anything quite new i will usually be the oldest person by some margin. if it is some long standing / classic act i will be in the median age group and there will generally be almost nobody under 30.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 14:02 (one year ago) link

Jobs, babies, houses, more babies.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 14:04 (one year ago) link

ffs it's been happening for as long as people have been getting a good job, getting married, having kids, settling down etc etc. I hope he didn't get paid for that.

Buckfast At Tiffany's (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 14:14 (one year ago) link

100% agree but the the ratio of wages-to-cultural expenses is definitely much more prohbitive than it was 15, 20, 30 years ago

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 14:18 (one year ago) link

That should be wages/cost of living and rent/music

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 14:19 (one year ago) link

As someone in her thirties, an unsaid portion of this is (if you’re talking strictly about London) is how many people are moving out/away in greater numbers even more so than the usual cycle. Ten years ago the majority of people I know lived in/around zones 2-4 and it was much easier to make plans. Lots of us have bought and moved out or just moved away. For me to go to anything in London strongly depends how much I’m inclined to get a late train home (especially if I am by myself). Meeting up with my friend groups even just for dinner or something is hard. So when you make time, you make time. Spontaneity is difficult.

Was also thinking this on similar lines recently when I read this NYmag old piece about their Gossip Girl coverage.

She also piped up to say the show’s travel time to Brooklyn was unrealistic, which she knew about because, get this, in 2007, she was the only blogger in the office who didn’t live in Manhattan.
Italics theirs.

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 15:06 (one year ago) link

Is the Guardian music worse than it used to be?

marcel the shell with swag on (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 15:19 (one year ago) link

Imagine the differences if this had been published by the UK rather than the Australian wing of the paper:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/aug/17/ellia-green-former-australian-rugby-sevens-star-olympic-gold-medallist-comes-out-as-trans-man

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 07:08 (one year ago) link

UK headline would at least start with the word "controversy"

I don't have the heart to find out whether the usual are complaining about erasing women, pretending he's actually a trans woman, or doing both at once somehow. but I'll probably have to hear about it soon anyway

Left, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 09:39 (one year ago) link

Nice to be able to walk away from it all.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/aug/29/rory-stewart-politics-privilege-podcast-stardom

xyzzzz__, Monday, 29 August 2022 08:31 (one year ago) link

Ugh don't know why I even started reading that... not that I got very far.

Buckfast At Tiffany's (Tom D.), Monday, 29 August 2022 09:43 (one year ago) link

Still nice to see former Celtic midfield stalwart, Murdo MacLeod, takes a good photo.

Buckfast At Tiffany's (Tom D.), Monday, 29 August 2022 09:46 (one year ago) link

'the snake-pit of coalface politics' is a line that could do with some expanding on

nashwan, Monday, 29 August 2022 10:24 (one year ago) link

I also wonder whether Campbell and Stewart aren’t more ideologically aligned than they suggest. They are white, centrist Scottish men who have been booted out of their parties.

conrad, Monday, 29 August 2022 10:58 (one year ago) link

lol lmao wow

rob, Friday, 9 September 2022 13:15 (one year ago) link

Fair play to the Graun for managing not to put a picture of Rib Rensenbrink on the cover today

Led By Honkies (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 9 September 2022 13:31 (one year ago) link

Rob Rensenbrink lol

Led By Honkies (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 9 September 2022 13:31 (one year ago) link

‘Much more than a figurehead’: how the Queen was the beating heart of the Commonwealth

so it's fucking dead too then?

rob, Friday, 9 September 2022 13:35 (one year ago) link

Is ham bourgeois, or not:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/sep/09/good-food-west-virginia-supper-club

"(Amy Dawson) had grown up being told everything about West Virginia was backwards, and a sweating ham sitting on the kitchen counter seemed emblematic of that.

(However) in the UK, where I am from, having a Spanish or Italian ham shoulder or leg on your kitchen counter is now a status symbol: it communicates being cultured and well-travelled enough to know about delicacies from the European continent, having the money to buy it (they can cost upwards of $350) and, oftentimes, owning the expensive, fancy equipment to slice it."

It's a potentially interesting story - it would be nice to know when prawn sandwiches went from luxury food to naff to imitation luxury food to staple of football matches to nothingness - but it's really boring. It feels like an advert for a little clique of people who eat food at a long table (apparently for hours, because one of the photos is at night).

I realise you can't tell what people are like from looking at them, but the photographs put me in mind of the old "things white people like" blog from many years ago.

Ashley Pomeroy, Friday, 9 September 2022 19:53 (one year ago) link

I really can't believe how much they're fawning over Brenda; this might be the worst of all: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2022/sep/10/farewell-your-majesty-cartoon-the-queen

ledge, Sunday, 11 September 2022 11:35 (one year ago) link

All else aside it’s discomfitingly childish. Goo goo ga ga shit

Wiggum Dorma (wins), Sunday, 11 September 2022 11:45 (one year ago) link

riddell is hands down my least favourite political cartoonist, his colour sense just fkn reeks

mark s, Sunday, 11 September 2022 11:51 (one year ago) link

All else aside it’s discomfitingly childish. Goo goo ga ga shit

The UK gets like that on these occasions. I think the thing that gets me most is the sheer scale of the play acting that goes on, I can't bear it.

Buckfast At Tiffany's (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 September 2022 12:01 (one year ago) link

The amount of fawning coverage the Guardian has devoted to the Queen is appalling. It's getting pretty North Korean in the UK right now, I mean I know republicans are in a minority, but not by so much, it's maybe 40/60? Let's hear their voices too for Christ's sake.

Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 11 September 2022 12:03 (one year ago) link

I saw t'other day that one of the Graun's other crap cartoonists (Edith Pritchett) is Matt's daughter. I bet that was a short job interview.

calzino, Sunday, 11 September 2022 12:05 (one year ago) link

wait, is there no cartoon yet from matt himself?

his slicey bois have been silenced

mark s, Sunday, 11 September 2022 12:26 (one year ago) link

out of respect, no cock and balls this week

mark s, Sunday, 11 September 2022 12:26 (one year ago) link

Difficult to draw when your tears are making the ink run.

Buckfast At Tiffany's (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 September 2022 12:31 (one year ago) link

counterpoint: he knows his savage republican views are not wanted

mark s, Sunday, 11 September 2022 12:39 (one year ago) link


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