Better Call Saul

Didn't he mutter something like that at to her at the end, when she called Opie Hitler's phone? Maybe.

So if she does reappear, might be sad, scary (sell her to Walking Dead spin-offs).

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2301455/characters/nm0292182

But that screenrant piece is some seriously media illiterate bullshit lol 'oh yeah there was a radio report in the film that says she's prolly gonna die, that means she's definitely dead'

Redeemed! Started looking around and found a very different account:

Of course, fans knew ricin was the kiss of death in the show and we assumed she died off-screen. El Camino confirms this isn't the case, well, not just yet.

In a radio report heard when Jesse tries to chart a new course following his escape, the announcer says, "The drug kingpin once known throughout the southwest as Heisenberg may yet claim a final victim." At that point, it's uncertain who the report's referring to as we thought Walt killed everyone who had to be murdered, but it's then revealed Lydia is the one barely surviving. "Texas authorities investigating the poisoning of a Houston woman are looking into her possible connection to Walter White's criminal organisation. The unnamed woman, who is hospitalised in critical condition, is not expected to survive."

And confirmed that via an online transcript of El Camino.

and i fake want to know how mike's family dealt with the fallout but we all know these storylines ain't happening.

I did not-fake expect to get a glimpse into why Mike's relationship with his daughter-in-law soured, but it's also not too hard to imagine, even without a scene of her holidaying in the Cayman Islands and having a chance encounter with his banker.

If they were gonna m night it we could have had Kayleigh kills by the Salamanca twins’ sniper rifle, the reveal then being that there was never anyone on those playdates with pop-pop, only her ghost as imagined by a grieving & guilt-mad Mike; this explains why she is doesn’t age between bcs & bb

damn the writers really did have all their ducks in a row

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed9tlp3fcKY

guess I’ll offer the lone bit of dissent and say that while the show remains perfectly watchable, I’m not sure there is much of a purpose anymore. feels like it could have just ended 2 episodes ago. the walter/jesse scene was embarrassing imo… also reminded me of how much I hated jesse as a character

Well I hope they still have some fun and surprises in the last remaining episodes.

Overall I think BB > BCS, but the longueurs of Jesse moping around miserably were a bit much.

I thought the last episode, specifically the phone call part, kinda drove that home. Gene is something of a cipher for the audience. There's nothing left in Albuquerque. We already know what happened to the major players, and none of the minor characters have particularly interesting fates. Huell gets out, Skylar's deal worked, so what's left to say. There's no story left. The only thing left to tie up is what exactly happened with Kim, though even that seems to be settled - she's in Florida doing something else. Everything Gene does is in a black & white world where there's nothing left to happen - his story is supposed to 'end' there, as a Cinnabon manager from now until he dies of natural causes. But Gene decides to delve back in anyway, which can only end badly. Maybe a self-aware argument against doing another spinoff series :)

Kim in Florida could get pretty wild, and they'd have to come up with mostly new characters and plot-lines, which could be refreshing.

I know it’s irrelevant it who is Gene selling the ID info to? The whole point of being in Omaha is no one knows who he is, and conversely, he doesn’t know anyone.

lol it’s a fair q, we know from Walt & jimmy that it takes at least 2 seasons to make the right contacts

Obv the answer is in the question, it doesn’t matter & so can safely be elided in a montage

Deep Dark Subwebasement, esp hard to trace seller's own id in 2010, I guess---?

Starting to think our pal Jimmy might not slip out of this one

I think a better name for this episode would have been “crime and punishment”

My PVR messed up, so when I started playing tonight's episode, it was the intro to the post-show discussion and I had a couple of surprises ruined immediately. Anyway, I was so down on Kim's send-off a couple of weeks ago, I'm glad they brought her back.

Reading some reviews of last night's episode, came across the title of the last episode: "Saul Gone."

one thing last night’s ep hammered home for me is that i’m glad we spent so much more time with jimmy than saul. saul goodman is a miserable fucker, would’ve been hard to take him as a lead in a show

agreed. that entire bit where he wasn't getting what he wanted from the phone call and dropped into this "i'm back in the game!" spiel was terrible and made me wonder if he remembered anything about the good parts of his relationship that didn't involve schemes and cons. seemed obvious that kim's been living in purgatory

I was absolutely dying at the boyfriend's "yep.... yep.... yep...."

insanely depressing how the kim we know seemed to be completely absent in her new life

xp that was great hahah

seemed obvious that kim's been living in purgatory

That seemed to be the real point of the episode to me, and not just because she's guilt-ridden. Her depressingly mundane life in Florida reminded me of the ending of Goodfellas, Liotta's breaking-the-fourth-wall words to the viewer about how miserable he is.

As one of the reviewers I read this morning pointed out, she couldn't even bring herself to choose between vanilla and strawberry ice cream. So as venal as Saul can be, there might be the implicit suggestion that he is--and Kim was--alive.

nearly completely self-imposed, too. gene exists in nebraska because he went through the identity washing process and people are looking for him for known crimes. kim's were all covered up, and if anyone did want to find her, she's living under the same name, although very quietly

the initial airport scene had a nice red herring when she was standing under the alaska airlines entrance, but it ended up being a bit of a tease for that last cameo

I've been pretty clear on this thread that I've had mixed feelings about this season the whole way. But I think there's one genuine tragedy (I mean, as genuine as can be for fictional characters in a TV show...) that was underscored by last night's episode, especially when Kim looks over at that lawyer (a Kim lookalike, one of the reviewers said--didn't notice) advising her client: Kim was a great lawyer, especially when she was taking all those pro bono cases. And she walked away from all that--perhaps needlessly.

Kim's breakdown on the bus was amazing, very uncomfortable to watch.

Second-guessing my "perhaps needlessly"--I guess she was so deep into an ethical swamp, there was no sustainable way to continue.

Yes--but, as she admits, obliging with the legal eagle critique for Howard's widow ("C'mon, Howard always said you were this great lawyer!"), there's no physical evidence of what she's confessing to---so maybe no indictment, and would a civil suit, brought by widow, fare any better? Widow might need a Saul-type to accept the case.
So---Kim still in purgatory, unless she can provide more details? Guess she could say that Jimmy's still alive, but evidence for that? Does she know where he's calling from? May soon be moot anyway, of course, the way things are going for him.
Would she have made this disclosure w/o Jimmy's call? "You're the one with the guilty conscience!" Might have done better to appeal to his sense of self-preservation, but either way, back when he was unsure what to do, she was the one who said, "Do you want to be a cartel lawyer? Or a rat?"

Jeffie panic attack wrecking his cab was hilarious

Like he's the last dude you'd wanna do crime with and Jimmy knows this!

Dude is so unhinged that cops eating their dinner in a car makes him basically Thelma and Louise

Not to mention the stupidity of taking expensive watches, which would make the dude know quite obviously that he'd been robbed

Jeffie panic attack wrecking his cab was hilarious

I didn’t think so at the time but during the call to “dad” I def thought that must have been the play

I disagree, I think he was absolutely shitting his pants by the time he peeled off, he was clearly panicked and I saw nothing to make me believe he would be that clear thinking as part of some master plan.

I loved this but Kim’s final scene should have been with some random miscreant imo, the Jesse of it all felt like a total misfire

What were the last lines of that? I got distracted.

xpost Yeah, and such a plan b seems foolhardy at best, but then the whole thing is---I do think taking the watch looked kinda childish, petulant, also impulsive like the whole stubborn half-assed caper: "Well fuck this guy, I'm-a get somethin"

“Is he good?” “He was when I knew him”

I enjoyed seeing Kim smoking again. Great Kim scene, not great Jesse scene

see, but in a sane Jeffie's mind, Jimmy didn't need to 'escape'. their robberies always involved photographing ids and credit cards and typically left their victims not even knowing they were 'robbed' until much later, and so much later that they couldn't tie it back to them.

he didn't know Jimmy was going to steal actual watches, so if he was thinking clearly, Jimmy would have likely been fine if Jimmy just pretended he lived at the house and had called a cab and came out as if he was the house owner. homeowner probably has no reason to think anybody was in his house if Jimmy doesn't move shit around and take watches.

Actually I think it’s “when I knew him he was”

xpost but paranoid Jeffie sees cops behind him and assumes THEY'RE ONTO US because that's what cops do, they magically know when you're up to no good and park behind you silently

yeah I think you’re all right, it’s jeffy being a dipshit - that works best with the fish taco gag as well

my mom was so afraid Jimmy was going to kill Carol Burnett (I felt it was too out of character for him so I was less worried), and she was yelling defiantly THAT'S RIGHT, NOBODY KILLS CAROL BURNETT after he left.

I usually like Aaron Paul's portrayal of Jesse, but I thought he was pretty clunky last night, like he'd forgotten how to play the character.

You can kill Lyle Waggoner or Tim Conway, but not Carol Burnett.

xp - I wasn't too worried, but credit to Odenkirk for that brief moment where he starts wrapping the phone cord around his hand and you can clearly see he's contemplating it at least, just as scary imo

Jesse's probably a hard character to do in short fits and starts, because it's easy to turn into a caricature

Now you've got me thinking that killing Carol Burnett would have been a truly shocking moment that the writers might have either missed or shied away from. (I'm blanking out: did Saul/Jimmy ever actually kill anyone? Am I forgetting someone obvious?)

nah, wasn't his style. as far as I know, I don't even think he arranged to have someone else do it either.

I woulda had a hard time with it. it seems like that kind of violence is de facto a line that Jimmy won't cross, that it carries trauma with it, and survival instincts or no, it woulda rang false to me.

though Carol Burnett doing a slapsticky death woulda redeemed it