I'd also include Devon White's really-was-a-triple-play catch in the '92 WS, but a little homerism there.
I love the Mays catch, and I think context matters...but you might be right. Jim Edmonds made a few of those.
― clemenza, Friday, 12 August 2022 02:44 (one year ago) link
context matters for sure. i mean, i'm not trying to downplay it's significance. it was the world series, it was a rare televised game. part of the reason i think i can see a catch like that every year is because every single game is captured from a million angles and a catch like that will not be missed. but, especially with players 70 years in the future being even better, amazing things happen pretty regularly.
i don't know, i think the selection of 8 plays to choose from are kind of weird. but it's hard to choose a "best" fielding moment. so much of it is just about which one you saw happen as it happened
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 August 2022 02:46 (one year ago) link
This is you, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htZNlCZ6uqE
― clemenza, Friday, 12 August 2022 02:48 (one year ago) link
i object to the methology of using 2018 outfielder positioning as the comparison to willie mays' positioning in the polo grounds. but i don't have a better idea
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 August 2022 03:07 (one year ago) link
i refuse to even look at this because i assume that jeter tagging giambi will win
― mookieproof, Friday, 12 August 2022 03:24 (one year ago) link
I like the reds’ silly helmets and i think more helmets should be like them
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 12 August 2022 03:33 (one year ago) link
Also no machado “dont throw it away” or mookie “not gettin to this one boys” no cred
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 12 August 2022 03:35 (one year ago) link
DYERSVILLE, Iowa -- The first father-and-son duo to play together in AL/NL history opened the Field of Dreams Game on Thursday in heartwarming fashion by doing something real simple."Hey, Dad, wanna have a catch?" Ken Griffey Jr. asked his father after the duo emerged from the cornfield beyond right field at the ballpark.It mimicked the finale scene of the movie, and the nearly 8,000 fans cheered with great approval.Then father and son did just that, throwing the ball back and forth while they soaked in the moment. They were soon joined by a group of kids.
"Hey, Dad, wanna have a catch?" Ken Griffey Jr. asked his father after the duo emerged from the cornfield beyond right field at the ballpark.
It mimicked the finale scene of the movie, and the nearly 8,000 fans cheered with great approval.
Then father and son did just that, throwing the ball back and forth while they soaked in the moment. They were soon joined by a group of kids.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 August 2022 03:40 (one year ago) link
xp that mookie play was in spring training tho, was it not?
― mookieproof, Friday, 12 August 2022 03:42 (one year ago) link
ok, NOW it's fucking dumb. fuck the field of dreams game. i even like the movie! but shit like THAT is the cloying sentimental bullshit, not the real stuff, which concerns the plot of the guy from thirty-something to buy out the costner compound
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 August 2022 03:42 (one year ago) link
gtfo with 'have a catch'
― mookieproof, Friday, 12 August 2022 03:43 (one year ago) link
It was but it was cool bc baseball is best when it’s weird xp
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 12 August 2022 03:43 (one year ago) link
"hey dad...wanna have a catch?"
"you're not my son!"
*running away noises*
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 August 2022 03:44 (one year ago) link
Lol
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 12 August 2022 03:44 (one year ago) link
*dull thud of ball hitting back of running dad's lower thigh*
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 August 2022 03:45 (one year ago) link
How in the world does Rougned Odor keep a job? What value does he bring to a team?
― clemenza, Friday, 12 August 2022 07:15 (one year ago) link
He brings a certain je ne sais quoi
― calstars, Friday, 12 August 2022 12:43 (one year ago) link
just remembering now that Rougned has an uncle named Rouglas
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 12 August 2022 14:00 (one year ago) link
i like Scooby Doo names like Rouglas and Rance.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 12 August 2022 14:07 (one year ago) link
Je ne sais hit, je ne sais field, je ne sais much of anything. He even managed a negative b-WAR in 2019, when he hit 30 HR.
― clemenza, Friday, 12 August 2022 14:55 (one year ago) link
lol
― calstars, Friday, 12 August 2022 15:24 (one year ago) link
This is it, basically
https://defector.com/rougned-odor-takes-gives-takes-and-gives-again/
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 12 August 2022 17:57 (one year ago) link
As an Orioles fan, I'm absolutely happy to have this guy on the team, even though he is objectively kind of bad at baseball
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 12 August 2022 17:58 (one year ago) link
Nats 4 Sale
At least five interested parties, including mortgage mogul Stanley Middleman and South Korean billionaire Michael B. Kim, have looked through the Washington Nationals’ financial reports and met with team personnel, and the Lerner family will seek initial bids before the end of the regular season for a potential sale of the team, according to multiple people familiar with the process.The Nationals’ recent trade of star outfielder Juan Soto to the San Diego Padres was an unusual complexity, but the team’s sale process did not directly dictate the decision, those people said. Three people with direct knowledge of the Soto deliberations said the Lerners did not seek input about Soto from any of the potential bidders. All spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly about an ongoing process.Allen & Co., the firm hired by the Lerners to handle the sale, declined to comment for this story, but two people with direct knowledge of the situation said the firm’s only advice was simple: Do what you would do if you were going to continue owning the team and make the best decision for the health of the franchise moving forward. If Soto signed a long-term contract to remain in Washington, he could be a selling point, a cornerstone. If the Nationals traded him and replenished their minor league system in the process, then a would-be bidder could inherit financial flexibility and a clean slate for the future.
The Nationals’ recent trade of star outfielder Juan Soto to the San Diego Padres was an unusual complexity, but the team’s sale process did not directly dictate the decision, those people said. Three people with direct knowledge of the Soto deliberations said the Lerners did not seek input about Soto from any of the potential bidders. All spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly about an ongoing process.
Allen & Co., the firm hired by the Lerners to handle the sale, declined to comment for this story, but two people with direct knowledge of the situation said the firm’s only advice was simple: Do what you would do if you were going to continue owning the team and make the best decision for the health of the franchise moving forward. If Soto signed a long-term contract to remain in Washington, he could be a selling point, a cornerstone. If the Nationals traded him and replenished their minor league system in the process, then a would-be bidder could inherit financial flexibility and a clean slate for the future.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/08/12/washington-nationals-sale-stanley-middleman/
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 August 2022 18:08 (one year ago) link
a guy named Middleman getting rich off of mortgages is too much for me; i'm checking out of this
fuck, Tatis suspended 80 games for steroids, huge bummer about a player and team I really like
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 12 August 2022 23:02 (one year ago) link
Wait is this real? The editor of Baseball America tweeted it.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 12 August 2022 23:03 (one year ago) link
:0
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 12 August 2022 23:07 (one year ago) link
it's real and holy shit
― ✖, Friday, 12 August 2022 23:11 (one year ago) link
Shit, yeah, apparently real, everywhere now.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 12 August 2022 23:12 (one year ago) link
Terrible. Maybe that ties in with the Soto acquisition--maybe they knew he was under investigation.
― clemenza, Friday, 12 August 2022 23:18 (one year ago) link
now *that* is a friday news dump
― mookieproof, Friday, 12 August 2022 23:28 (one year ago) link
wow
― Michael F Gill, Friday, 12 August 2022 23:32 (one year ago) link
how do dudes think they’re going to get away with juicing in 2022???
― na (NA), Friday, 12 August 2022 23:51 (one year ago) link
or “accidentally taking medications that have steroids in them” in 2022
― na (NA), Friday, 12 August 2022 23:56 (one year ago) link
In a statement, the 23-year-old shortstop said he inadvertently treated ringworm with a medication that contained the banned substance Clostebol, and that after initially appealing the ruling, he decided to drop the appeal.“I should have used the resources available to me in order to ensure that no banned substances were in what I took. I failed to do so,” Tatis said in his statement. “I have no excuse for my error, and I would never do anything to cheat or disrespect this game I love.”
“I should have used the resources available to me in order to ensure that no banned substances were in what I took. I failed to do so,” Tatis said in his statement. “I have no excuse for my error, and I would never do anything to cheat or disrespect this game I love.”
i've never gotten ringworm (humblebrag), but how common is Clostebol in medication?
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 13 August 2022 00:46 (one year ago) link
xp clemenza
The league’s policy dictates that clubs are not notified of a player’s positive test until the day that player is set to be added to the restricted list, so the Padres did not know Tatis had tested positive when they engineered a franchise-altering deal to acquire Juan Soto from the Washington Nationals at the trade deadline.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 13 August 2022 00:48 (one year ago) link
Sad day for baseball, I really liked him even tho he wasn't on my team
― Bee OK, Saturday, 13 August 2022 02:31 (one year ago) link
do not give a crap about this at all tbh, just want him back playing asap
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 13 August 2022 11:00 (one year ago) link
The Curse of Dairy Queen? They selected 4 players this season to market their ice cream and sandwiches:Bryce Harper: Broken thumb, out since June 26.Tim Anderson: Broken finger, out 6 weeks.Cody Bellinger: Hitting .210 with 668 OPS.Fernando Tatis: Suspended for PED use.— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) August 13, 2022
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 13 August 2022 16:32 (one year ago) link
Bellinger has been cursed since 2020. At least he’s not posting a negative WAR this year.
― Michael F Gill, Saturday, 13 August 2022 20:56 (one year ago) link
I'll take the blame for Bellinger.
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 August 2022 21:42 (one year ago) link
Doubt Judge not lest ye be Judged
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 13 August 2022 21:43 (one year ago) link
I was trying to think of possible recent parallels for Tatis--players who a) looked headed for the HOF, and b) had to get out from under a scandal. I'll eliminate the first wave of PED players, since that's still murky--only guys who got caught after it was a clear infraction. They're far from perfect matches for Tatis, but:
1) Ryan Braun: clear decline after his 2013 suspension, but not steep. Six years older than Tatis, though, so might have been normal decline.
2) Robinson Cano: obviously, much older, and not a good match at all.
3) Altuve and Correa: hard to say--we still don't know how the sign-stealing thing will be viewed in 10 years, whether it will be as disqualifying as PEDs have (thus far) been.
So, I don't know if there's a good parallel.
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 August 2022 23:11 (one year ago) link
Maybe you could add Alex Bregman, too--he looked HOF-bound after 2018/19, and he's declined a lot since the scandal became news. But he's had injuries, too, and COVID complicates the careers of all three Astros. Meant to say that Correa had an MVP-level season in 2021, after the scandal, while Altuve has declined some, but easily attributable to normal aging in your early 30s.
Conclusion I draw from this very exhaustive, scientific study: most all of these players declined some after their scandals, but in every case there are other plausible explanations.
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 August 2022 23:19 (one year ago) link
Feels like it’s too early to even think of Tatis as being HOF-bound? I think you gotta have at least 5-7 great seasons under your belt, minimum.
― Michael F Gill, Saturday, 13 August 2022 23:32 (one year ago) link
You're right, but he felt (feels?) like one of those players where you know right away. They don't have any Similarity Scores up for him yet on Baseball Reference, but I bet if you found his ten closest comps for first ~1200 PA (.292/.369/.596, 160 OPS+, 8.1 bWAR/162 games), it'd be a pretty imposing list, and almost all HOF'ers. But anything can happen...like getting suspended for PEDs!
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 August 2022 23:42 (one year ago) link
reaching the HoF requires playing a lot of games. and a lot of guys don't even become regulars until they're like 25 -- rutschman only debuted at 24. so if a guy puts up 4.2 bWAR as a 20yo (as tatis did) that's a big advantage and big deal
i mean, there's also jason heyward. but we can still dream
― mookieproof, Saturday, 13 August 2022 23:44 (one year ago) link
A really young jump is definitely a big advantage in giving you a cushion later on. Pujols, Cabrera, Griffey, Jr...there are a number of HOF'ers who were basically able to coast in their 30s because of a fast start. Obvious counter-example, Judge. Obvious horrible example, Bellinger.
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 August 2022 23:47 (one year ago) link
I’m still skeptical. David Wright (who started at 21) had about 10 great seasons in a row and looked very much on the way to Hall of Fame, and then injuries derailed it so quickly. You need to be really good for a really long time.
― Michael F Gill, Sunday, 14 August 2022 00:25 (one year ago) link