Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

it's kind of funny that everybody is saying this will completely rejuvenate Republicans/Trumpers prior to 2022 and/or 2024 and cause massive Democratic losses. because they literally said that during the impeachment trial, and it didn't help him fuck all during the 2020 election (granted, his handling of COVID-19 and the economy at the time didn't help him).

granted, I wouldn't say Democratic/left winger voters are as fired up as they were in 2018 or 2020 as they're just fucking exhausted and angry at Roe v Wade, but Independents, as always, are the wild card. right now, it's worrying as they're not loving Biden, but don't exactly think people who identify as Independents are gonna be real 'fired up' over this right now.

not to mention there is definitely more Republican in-fighting going on now than there was before, a lot more splintering factions.

i wouldn't care if his imprisonment guaranteed a Republican president in 2024 though, I'd still support it because if you only do things based on how other people might react, then nothing matters and laws don't mean anything, we're just a reactive society that bases action on what other people might do.

The 'independents,' as you pointed out, are all who matter.

arrest DeSantis too IMO

otm

into the sun

that is just how bullies talk. "if you try to do anything about it it'll only make us stronger". anyone who thought the FBI would raid Mar-a-Lago for "political reasons" is voting Republican no matter what anyway

Republicans also seem to think being a victim is 'fun' and that they're missing out on all of the joyous experience of being victimized because they enjoy usurping the language of victims and cosplaying as victims, it's like fun you get to get mad, and yell, and cry, and ask people to give you money as a result, and also make sure you talk about Dr King and how you're similar to him

granted, I wouldn't say Democratic/left winger voters are as fired up as they were in 2018 or 2020 as they're just fucking exhausted and angry at Roe v Wade

I gotta say, my anecdotal experience is that suburban moms are riled as hell about Roe v Wade and unlike college students they are liable to vote.

I'm not sure if "our top guy got arrested for espionage" is a particularly good message for the midterms

IF YOU VOTE FOR US WE'LL ARREST THE OTHER GUY

is the name of my dog

hmm eephus! good point

i'm trying to imagine the interior life of someone who in 2022 still doesnt have a strong positive or negative opinion of trump, and what might get them "fired up"

fun to imagine the sort of person who could potentially land on a jury

Not sure about their interior life but in their exterior life they would look a lot like Ken Bone.

"Donald Trump? Wasn't he the USFL guy?"

well that name just triggered some PTSD

Donald Simp

^^ side 2 The Great Escape track

Speaking of Club Mar-a-La-Go-Go:

Reports of former President DONALD TRUMP storing 11 sets of classified documents, possibly containing nuclear weapons-related and “special access program” info, at Mar-a-Lago have centered attention on the sensitivity of those papers.

But the more important aspect, according to a former official who assisted GEORGE W. BUSH's handling of the government's classification system, is the lack of protection of those items.

“Let's say one of those documents was about Bill Leonard and had my social security number on it. The Privacy Act prohibits the disclosure of that information,” said J. WILLIAM LEONARD, who from 2002 to 2008 led the Information Security Oversight Office. “But if you're talking about information related to nuclear weapons or whatever, the safeguarding requirements are the same. It still needs to be in approved storage facilities, still may need to be under constant surveillance in terms of either guards or alarm systems. You need to ensure that only authorized people have access to it.”

The Wall Street Journal reported that the FBI's haul from "the southern White House" included 11 sets of classified documents, including some items with information about the president of France.

Leonard called the caterwauling over what Trump could and could not declassify while president a “red herring.” Yes, he acknowledged, Trump had broad powers to declassify nearly all intelligence, except when they contained information of nuclear issues, covert operations and operatives, or data sent to the U.S. by a treaty partner.

But he doesn’t have the right to leave those papers lying around Mar-a-Lago for anyone to access, especially when the club is a counterintelligence nightmare with horrific security.

That, and the Presidential Records Act, is why Leonard felt it was “appropriate for the government to insist on recouping possession.”

He noted that most of these situations typically resolve themselves amicably — and clearly, this was not one of those situations. “You revert to the criminal justice system only in the most anomalous or unusual circumstances,” Leonard told NatSec Daily. It’s still unclear why the FBI took such a step, which followed a grand jury subpoena in June.

Whatever the reason, the government’s move means it’s more likely now that some government secrets are secured.

“I would be surprised that even amongst the unclassified information in the 15 boxes or however many they removed, that there was not classified information that required protection,” Leonard told NatSec Daily before news of the contents of Trump's documents broke.

It's "still unclear why the FBI took such a step"?????

It's like the writer had just finished putting together a 500 piece puzzle and spent hours looking for the 501st piece

not sure what to make of this: CNN analyst says the intel Trump stole are so sensitive that FBI agents will begin FINGER PRINTING each document to find out who actually touched them

<Nelson Muntz laugh> is my take

Fingerprints are not so reliable; maybe DNA? But then they'd have to get a whole lotta samples---maybe check ancestry.com? Srsly, they've done that in some cases.

xpost Guess Politico scribe was thinking, "Why didn't they just keep negotiating, keeping it all on the paper snail trail, " like we're used to seeing with gov. vs. Mr. T---but, although gov. dude mentioned on CNN this a.m. that the gov. dude who had been leading negotiation was the one who signed go-ahead for this "raid," like somebody had finally had enough---it was not out of the blue, since they'd already taken more boxes the first time, it was just done as quietly as this might have been, if Trump hadn't squawked on Truth: sounds unlikely, but word didn't get around the first time, when he somehow kept mum about it. (I'm sure word got around to some extent somewhere, but not like this.)

On the NYT homepage right now.

https://i.imgur.com/4dxBIwb.png

NYT version of Thread Connections 2022

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— The Eorzea Mets (@MC_Nietzsche) August 12, 2022

Whoa

Statement from Trump Office: As we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring home their work from time to time… He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified.. pic.twitter.com/pnTjRnOqif

— Acyn (@Acyn) August 13, 2022

Lol keep talking moron

This is the “I said ‘Not it infinity’” defense

Nuclear secrets become unsecret when they enter my tacky compound

Got to admit, I did not foresee psychic declassification on the game card.

It's like a child making up new rules to the game as they go along to ensure they keep winning. "Oh, wait, if I'm behind, when I make a basket it's worth twice as many points until I catch up to your score plus one, and then it goes back to normal scoring."
https://www.mcgilltribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Sports-1-Brian-Koberlein-Calvinball.jpg

“From the Trump office in Wahoo, Nebraska”

I swear there was some chud on FOX a few years ago saying something like "the President cannot commit any crimes, if he does it then it is by definition not a crime"

in today's news, rock beat scissors, but then it was time for the bulldozer. bart simpson was also deployed but was handily beaten by the bulldozer. weather on the tens, coming up

Xpost oh shit someone brought Nixon back to life?

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/enfuturama/images/2/26/RICHARD_NIXON%27S_HEAD_IN_A_JAR.png/revision/latest?cb=20180216001708

hey guys remember when Tulsi Gabbard was a democrat

https://theweek.com/tucker-carlson/1015890/tulsi-gabbard-fills-in-on-tucker-carlson-tonight

yeah, I saw that the other day. she's been filling in while tucker tans his balls. i'm trying to imagine the political and psychological journey of some rando 2016 left-leaning voter who decides that tulsi gabbard is the best person to support, and then if they kept supporting her all the way to the present moment.

The party changed not her

Xpost You are basically describing the Jimmy Dore fanbase

Tulsi is just another Palin-style raw opportunist, but with a prettier face to exploit.

I mean, the minute I read in 2016 that she was a Christian, anti-marriage equality individual from Hawai’i , it was pretty evident that she was actually a conservative— all of those types are

I spent a good 4 years between 2016 and 2020 sharing this the moment any friend or acquaintance got a "she look intersting" vibe about Tulsi. Great reporting by Eoin Higgins: https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/tulsi-gabbard/tulsi-gabbard-is-not-who-you-think-she-is/

that link 404'ed me

That link isn’t what you think it is either

Tulsi Gabbard is hosting “Tucker Carlson,” the predictable end point of a political pivot I called six years agohttps://t.co/QINzvNOigH

— ℮oin Higgins (@EoinHiggins_) August 11, 2022

I mean, the minute I read in 2016 that she was a Christian, anti-marriage equality individual from Hawai’i , it was pretty evident that she was actually a conservative— all of those types are

― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Saturday, August 13, 2022 2:05 PM bookmarkflaglink

that's what doesn't make sense to me about the handful of friends I know who are progressive who weirdly endorsed her in 2016. they mostly abandoned her later but it's like she always seemed fucking phony