New videos seem to have about 85k views on YouTube, as opposed to 57M for the official video of "Shine". I imagine it's enough that they're not flipping burgers.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 14 August 2022 11:44 (one year ago) link
if playing the hits can fund studio time and making new stuff gives you the motivation to keep playing the hits... good on ya
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 14 August 2022 11:46 (one year ago) link
Collective Soul was pretty much a band making records at home from the start. The main guy Ed Roland was making demos and recording his own stuff while working as recording engineer.
There is a good interview with one of the industry recording magazines (maybe even Tape Op) about him I read. That first record was made with ADATs and an Alesis drum machine.
― earlnash, Sunday, 14 August 2022 11:58 (one year ago) link
Having lived in Buffalo from 05-08, the Goo Goo Dolls definitely had their devotees; I imagine they still do.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 14 August 2022 12:50 (one year ago) link
Yeah they locked into their niche and kept at it. Still have a fondness for the early albums in general.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 August 2022 14:39 (one year ago) link
The third Goo Goo Dolls album is the best Replacements album.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 14 August 2022 15:27 (one year ago) link
I guess it's a blind spot for me! Had no idea there were such committed Collective Soul fans.
― Panda bear, my gentle friend (morrisp), Sunday, 14 August 2022 15:33 (one year ago) link
xpost No lie!
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 August 2022 15:44 (one year ago) link
This is part of the filter bubble phenomenon in the streaming age - people who accidentally or deliberately streamed a few of their songs, will keep getting fed new material by these artists.
So to the listeners caught in that bubble, Goo Goo Dolls are still a huge current band “you hear on the radio all the time” even if they’ve long disappeared for most of the rest of the world.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 14 August 2022 17:07 (one year ago) link
last decade of goos albums has been pretty unlistenable and trend-hoppy. haven’t attempted the new one
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 14 August 2022 17:11 (one year ago) link
This is part of the filter bubble phenomenon in the streaming age - people who accidentally or deliberately streamed a few of their songs, will keep getting fed new material by these artists.So to the listeners caught in that bubble, Goo Goo Dolls are still a huge current band “you hear on the radio all the time” even if they’ve long disappeared for most of the rest of the world.
Enh, lots of bands have a core of loyal fans who aren't necessarily deluded about their current popularity. I had to turn off the new GGD single before it was over, though.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 14 August 2022 17:21 (one year ago) link
Of course, but in the past it became obvious to them that their favourite band had fallen out of favour by noticing they had disappeared from radio and tv.
Today, those fans would never know: new releases by the band will pop up in their ad feed, their youtube feed, their spotify feed, so the illusion is never broken.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 14 August 2022 19:21 (one year ago) link
erstwhile ilxor emilys pointed me to the new GGD video, in which Johnny R looks profoundly confused by the goings-on around him, as if, coming from the age of the multimillion dollar MTV promo push, he can't quite accept that this low-budgey simulated party really is the video shoot.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 14 August 2022 20:53 (one year ago) link
This is the contemporary equivalent of state fair circuit Classic Rock bands signing to CMC International in 1997.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 14 August 2022 21:13 (one year ago) link
I forgot where I mentioned this, but the recent-ish summer fest by the Houston Alternative station was anchored by bands whose heyday was 1995-2005.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 14 August 2022 21:15 (one year ago) link
Old Growth Pop
I took a look at the Billboard top 200 albums chart today and was a little struck by how much old music and compilations are on it. The current US chart (https://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200/) includes Queen - Greatest Hits (30) Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (36) CCR - Chronicle: the 20 Greatest Hits (44)Elvis - 30 #1 Hits (60)2Pac - Greatest Hits (68)Journey's Greatest Hits (69)Michael Jackson - Thriller (77)Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers - Greatest Hits (80)Eminem - Curtain Call: the Hits (81)Guns n Roses - Greatest Hits (84)AC/DC - Back in Black (86)Nirvana - Nevermind (96)Bob Marley & the Wailers - Legend (97)Michael Jackson - The Essential Michael Jackson (100)
You can continue to find comps by ABBA, Bon Jovi, George Strait, Nickelback, Lynyrd Skynyrd in the 101-200 range, and Metallica's black album.
For comparison, this chart from August 1992 contains only one album that wouldn't have been relatively recent at the time - Queen's Greatest Hits, which was surely enjoying a boost since Mercury had died not too long ago. I tried to imagine telling someone in 1992 that Elvis, CCR, Fleetwood Mac, ABBA, Journey, Bon Jovi and Guns n Roses would be on the charts in 30 years.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 3 September 2022 21:37 (one year ago) link
That's nothing compared to the UK charts week in week outhttps://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/
My loose thoughts: they really should just have a heritage chart at this stage, containing anything older than a few years maybe, other than dedicated new re-releases.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 3 September 2022 22:13 (one year ago) link
Christ, half that chart has been in for 100 weeks or more.
― Dan Worsley, Saturday, 3 September 2022 22:29 (one year ago) link
Yeah I wasn't even mentioning stuff like Taylor Swift's 1989 and Kanye West's College Dropout. Lol the UK chart though. The Canadian chart is a similar story - the compilations appear even higher with Queen at 20, ABBA at 30, more Shania Twain and Tragically Hip, less Skynyrd and George Strait, Appetite instead of a GH but yeah. Is this just because when they count streaming numbers, they effectively count the equivalent of every time someone put on a classic rock station or spun their copy of Rumours in 92?
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 3 September 2022 22:42 (one year ago) link
Wow - Taylor has seven albums on the BB 200
― Porcine-lina of the Pig Oceans (morrisp), Saturday, 3 September 2022 22:44 (one year ago) link
The two Queen comps in the '92 list were there because they were technically new releases put together to launch Hollywood Records' reissue campaign of the Queen catalogue, and were gifted extra commercial legs by the release of Wayne's World and the related single rerelease of "Bohemian Rhapsody".
Regular catalogue albums like Rumours etc. were ineligible for the Top 200 unless they received a new reissue. This stood until the industry cratered enough that they let any catalogue release in just to make #'s and not have like some SoundCloud dude who pushed 500 units chartbust.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 3 September 2022 23:21 (one year ago) link
All those albums cited in the new chart are doing the business on vinyl in big box stores.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 3 September 2022 23:24 (one year ago) link
Ah, that's more context.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 3 September 2022 23:32 (one year ago) link
My loose thoughts: they really should just have a heritage chart at this stage
Disgraced UKIP boosting DJ Mike Read is on the case! https://www.heritagechart.co.uk/
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 5 September 2022 09:58 (one year ago) link
U Music chief sez he's not down with the status quo: https://variety.com/2023/music/news/universal-music-lucian-grainge-slams-streaming-economy-spotify-1235486063/
― Wet Legume (morrisp), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 18:10 (one year ago) link
Obv I wouldn't trust him to make a magically better model that reduces his business's share, but at least he's not saying he has one, and it's good to see this on the record.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 18:24 (one year ago) link
Billboard article making the case that the album remains strong: https://www.billboard.com/pro/album-format-dead-narrative-music-discovery-tiktok-singles/
― Phair · Jagger/Richards · Carl Perkins (morrisp), Friday, 17 November 2023 01:49 (five months ago) link
hmm paywall
― budo jeru, Friday, 17 November 2023 02:23 (five months ago) link
Weird, I didn’t hit it – try this?
― Phair · Jagger/Richards · Carl Perkins (morrisp), Friday, 17 November 2023 02:30 (five months ago) link
that'll do it, thanks!
― budo jeru, Friday, 17 November 2023 02:35 (five months ago) link
Interesting article - thanks for sharing
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 17 November 2023 11:18 (five months ago) link
UMG "calls time out" on TikTok: https://www.universalmusic.com/an-open-letter-to-the-artist-and-songwriter-community-why-we-must-call-time-out-on-tiktok/
― jake morgendorffer core (morrisp), Thursday, 1 February 2024 01:15 (three months ago) link
Yeah this isn't surprising
https://variety.com/2024/music/news/hipgnosis-songs-takeover-by-concord-1235974846/
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:58 (three weeks ago) link