Better Call Saul

and gilligan fwiw has said he's done with this universe for the foreseeable future

frogbs summarizing what could/should have been a brief scene of the news coverage hysteria around Walt that would've driven things home to more casual fans of the series (like me... i mean how many of us have seen any of the material more than once?)

so yeah i guess i buy it

I'll be watching this episode again. it was a lot!

Bringing in Oakley makes sense, he’s kind of the last guy Saul actually knows and in earlier seasons it’s implied they’ve worked together a lot

The impression I got was he was willing to sell out Kim but changed the plan upon finding out she confessed already

The part I didn’t buy was Kim being unaware that Saul was caught. One would think she’d be monitoring that situation after the phone call.

I saw that odenkirk is doing a campus set drama about an English professor.
Which had Anthony Sher as the History Man running through my head. Different Dept of course and country.

& Esposito is supposed to be a US version of a BBC drama the Driver. Don't remember that show. Is it recent?

It occurred to me that the small subset of people who've seen BCS but haven't yet seen BB were unlikely to be swayed by WW's appearances in this series. Who wants to watch that miserable SOB snipe at people for six seasons?

"Run"

xxxpost Oh yeah, he maybe was gonna sell her out, since he indicated that he thought he still had Howard up his sleeve ("Hamlin?" Prosecutor so derisive: look who else missed the evening news). But you know, we all miss it sometimes: busy busy busy. Hey, what was she doing with that file, creeping around like that??

They did that fake episode 'American Greed' but really you got to go to the dude and make one with Keith Morrison interviewing Saul or at least get Odenkirk to host SNL and have Bill Hader as Morrison interviewing Saul.

I dunno personally I'm done with this universe between the 2 shows and a movie

Ditto times 10. With all the circling narratives and COVID interruptions, it's just too much at this point.

thinking about it more I think the final twist really was great, when I watched it I was thinking "fuck Saul what are you doing??" but ultimately I think Saul realized that even with a reduced sentence he'd be left with nothing when he got out and would likely pull a bunch of scams until he got caught again. in fact that's basically what happened in Omaha, when despite everything he was nearly home free. so he does the "it's showtime" thing once more, this time performing not for the court but for Kim, realizing that the person she loves is Jimmy, not Saul, and the only way he can have some semblance of something real in his life (kim's admiration, if nothing else) is to give himself up

I just read Esposito was born in Denmark.
Not sure exactly where I was expecting but wouldn't be there.

Looks like driver may be based on a crime series set in Manchester about a taxi driver getting pulled into involvement with gang crime. If so British one was 2014 I think. I don't remember it.

You know, after so much drama, I kind of appreciate that the show ultimately went for a relatively gentle landing.

I thought that was a beautiful finale, definitely no need for any other spin-offs. testament to how well they built up Jimmy/Saul as a character and his relationship with Kim that that final twist made sense - she was the only person worth giving up Saul for. And of course he'd actually be great in jail! I loved that.

Walt + Saul flashback milessss better than the Kim + Jesse one, it's been a long time since I watched BB but I enjoyed Walt being annoying science guy again lol

i very much liked the final moments at the gate when i finally realized "oh this was a love story" and teared up some. not what i expected from this show but wow did they earn it

Is Seehorn at an age where it has become difficult for female actors to get roles for way too long. Unless she is relegated to a backing role like someone's mother or otherwise not fully detailed. I hope that is a thing of the past but it is something I think has caused a lot of pain in the past. She is a very good performer so should be allowed to continue being one.
JUst thinking about a comment somebody had said about Odenkirk and Esposito being able to get new projects visibly going already.

Or has she just started in the leading role of a comedy I hadn't heard of.
Is Cooper's Bar any good?

a series of 11 minute shorts about a bunch of losers hanging around a fake bar thinking of fame, with Rhea Seehorn as an a-hole executive . This is the first episode and is directed by her
https:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=paerfPvqkRQ

might explain why I haven't heard of it or is it the talk of the town?
Hope she does get into a new series that more fully shows her talent

You know, I doubt the writers gave much thought to this at first, but I wouldn't be shocked if it came to mind toward the end ... "call" of course has been used literally for most of this show and the one before it, but a "call" is also a decision. So a "better call" would be a better decision, which is what Saul - "better call" Saul - finally makes at the end of the series.

🤯

lol i like it

Loved both of Saul’s final displays of courtroom showmanship, heel and face: the first with the ice cold response to “you think a jury’s gonna buy that?” as he stares down Marie; the second makes total sense for the obvious reasons ppl have stated - Kim’s confession jolted his conscience - and his long long overdue moment of honesty (can’t call it redemption, really, and who actually benefits from this punk spending a more insanely long time in America’s stupid carceral system?) works for me as a happy ending of sorts, but fundamentally it’s still their old dynamic; these two spur each other to do reckless things

― Wiggum Dorma (wins), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 20:33 (yesterday) link

Hadn't thought about it this way but this seems very otm

Yeah, now it does! The olde folie a deux, with a last spree and contest, to see who can do the most shocking confession and spin into the sun---will they both be doing interviews, books, as the culmination of this whole true crime/news media gold rush? Also, yes, a way to live with themselves, but there's gotta be danger in there too, as always: Kim might get sued for everything she has and all future earnings (at least, I believe some lawyer in there, probably Jimmy, put it that way, getting all turned on at the extremity of her amends), and he, though maybe the Saul of jailhouse lawyers, with 2 cartons of cigs as fee, could still get shanked by somebody hired from outside, a survivor of old, or just struck down by a rando: there's all kinds of ways for a prisoner to die, and sometimes it's even a celebrity, like Jeffrey Daumer.

Speaking of Saul's fees, he never was a true ambulance-chaser, with the big personal injury jackpots, right? Sandpiper was a long, long time in coming, and meanwhile, he's getting, what maybe an average of 200 bucks from how many hundreds of clients, while into conspicuous consumption---and nobody bothered to look at his above-ground practice as money-laundering, until the connection with the cartel was emerging---? I believe it, but all the more reason, along with headline fever, for the prosecution not to agree to seven years; oh well.

ambulance-chasers are lawyers who sue people, Saul was pretty much a defense attorney, defending lowlife criminals and such.

the irony of course is his biggest success as a lawyer was a major class-action lawsuit that two different law firms had to oversee, and it was completely legit and benefitted a bunch of elderly folks who had been fucked out of their money.

granted, he didn't do it for the right reasons, but still funny.

God that last episode was some of the most dire fan service and inability to figure out how to end a series since GOT.

Their legal consultant must have had the day off. They don't allow the victim's wife in for plea deal negotiations. Marie's entire scene was bad.

Lol, at Kim getting her law license back. Sure, sure.

Loved the series other than the finale and that Jesse-Kim scene.

ambulance-chasers are lawyers who sue people, Saul was pretty much a defense attorney, defending lowlife criminals and such.

There is a lot of overlap between these two kinds of lawyers.

she didn't get her law license back. the bar car had no expiration date on it so she lied and told the prison that she was visiting as his lawyer and showed that card as proof. just like when you show a student ID with no expiration date when you graduated 8 years ago.

(obv I don't know how realistic that is but that's how she explained it)

That's right. Works at the museum. Suckers...

xp that makes more sense, lol.

I mean, Saul also thought he was a fixer of sorts. They never showed him buying out the veterinarian’s little black book but it was strongly implied, right? Every defense case was like a little con, like getting a guy that looked a little like Walt gut didn’t mind some time up state to do the bid

Is Seehorn at an age where it has become difficult for female actors to get roles for way too long. Unless she is relegated to a backing role like someone's mother or otherwise not fully detailed. I hope that is a thing of the past but it is something I think has caused a lot of pain in the past.

i just binged this whole second half of final season in two days

one thing i will say on the finale is the black & white cinematography was such an amazing device for Jimmy & Kim’s scenes, giving them that doomed romance of something like A Place In The Sun

Their final interactions together were like mini homages to all the old movies they watched together, knowing they’re stuck with the life they’ve made but wishing it could be more. both spent so much of their lived being stubborn hardasses to the world and cutting off their nose to spite their face but their secret weakness is that they are both mushed-out romantics & the only ones who know it is each other.

thst scene against the prison wall sharing a cigarette with the shadows across them was EVERYTHING

oh and jimmy giving chuck the hg wells time machine book i nearly cried <3

https://www.agendasalta.com.ar/public/images/noticias/4741-better-call-saul-llego-a-su-final-consagracion-total-para-una-serie-que-nacio-a-la-sombra-de-breaking-bad.jpeg

i did not think about the TCM connection, ty VG!

Dow I have heard for severakl years that there is a habit in casting female actors that makes it difficult to get a lead role over a certain age. Which I think has tended to be late 30s when one is deemed too old to be seen as a romantic lead and therefore roles dry up until one can be cast as mother or older friend or friend of mother. Would appear that Rhea went against that by being cast back in 2014/5 since she was already in that age range. Looking back at her career as shown on IMDB it looks like she has mainly played supporting roles. Now that she has shown her ability so clearly I am hoping that that casting habit which I have heard several complaints about is something that is diminishing, but is just another aspect of gender imbalance in popular culture which is finding a way to perpetuate.
I hoped that seeing Rhea Seehorn had got a lead role in a comedy I hadn't heard of before meant she did already have good things ahead. I then looked up the show and it's a series of shorts on AMC that are all up on youtube too. It may be interesting but seems to be a bit mediocre from the couple of episodes I watched. Wondered if anybody else had even heard of it Cooper's Bar.
Am hoping that we are going to see Seehorn since she does seem to be a good actor (I was wondering if the word actress was still in widespread use since it is so firmly engendered and thereby valorised, like)

she'd be good in any number of roles, based on her range in this show. I hope she gets a career like Toni Collette's

who was born the same year, incidentally

I would be staggered if she's not getting lots of juicy job offers at the moment

Fuck the Emmys :(

Saw a tweet that said the show is now 0 for 46 in Emmy noms.

I mean, I like Succession too, but good lord. Nothing for this show? It is especially a crime that Rhea Seehorn still doesn't have one for this show.

I saw a tweet about this and assumed it was an ironic joke, since I assumed BCS would have won a bunch of Emmys.

What would explain that? Breaking Bad won 16/58--there's no inherent bias.

I'd be upset about this but I didn't see anything that actually won an Emmy so

Rhea Seehorn not winning anything is criminal though

bcs gets one more go ‘round for the last batch of episodes this summer fwiw

Julie Garner was probably the best thing in Ozark but this is the third time she's won for playing Ruth ffs xp

Although some people are saying apparently the second half of the final season is eligible next year so there may be one last chance

Good to know, I was wondering about the eligibility since the last episodes just aired. Garner was great and deserved an Emmy, but I don't know about three for the same role and def not at the expense of zero for Seehorn.

Other than constantly upping her "fucks"-per-minute, I don't know that Garner ever deepened that character as she went along.

i can pai, i can pai