Things you were shockingly old when you learned

i like to consider myself part of Charles Nation

Carolingians?

Carlists?

Charlatans

Carolines perhaps? North and South Carolina both named after Charles I.

That it’s Alain Delon on the cover of the Smiths’ The Queen Is Dead

that there's another one called Prince Edward

My entire life I've heard about Charles & Anne, and more recently about Andrew.. but there's a sleeper prince who doesn't seem to attract much attention

I had no fucking clue

My brother thought the Queen Mother had been queen directly before QEII. He's in his 30s and has lived in England his whole life.

prince edward was big on spitting image back in the day.

I would imagine most people under 30 in the UK have no idea who Prince Edward is.

Chuckleheads

My brother thought the Queen Mother had been queen directly before QEII.

I mean he's right but it's queen as in king's wife, not as in monarch.

He asked how long her reign had been so he definitely meant 'monarch'! We weren't brought up to have any interest in the Royal Family at all.

I remember this lad called Leonard at junior school getting sent to the headmaster's office for the strap for saying The Queen was Satan! He was just repeating what his Rastafarian older brother had told him.

rastafarian older brother otm

absolutely. I still remember It's A Royal Knockout being on and thinking why are they ruining this great program. Well obv it wasn't a great program and the presenter was a child abuser. But it was popular in my house, apart from that one-off.

They basically stuck Prince Edward in an attic after that and only dragged him out occasionally to stand somewhere in the back row on public occasions.

Was he the one in the can?

No, that was Prince Albert. Never mind.

the funniest scene in The Crown (apart from Mountbatten getting some IRA justice) was where Charles dismisses Andrew + Edward as "fringe" and of no interest to the British public. And no-mark twerp Edward says "well that was impressively cunty". I wonder if netflix will be busting a gut to get the last season out ahead of schedule.

a british person I know said it was weird to think of having to use "god save the king" and it never even crossed my mind that this would be the case

saw someone noting that after 70 years all the 'queen's counsel' lawyers have suddenly become KCs; i'm sure there are many more weird things like this

Hopefully the thought “it just feels wrong to say ‘god save the king’ and ‘his majesty’” will lead naturally to the realisation that yes, it should always have felt wrong and take a fucking look at yourself you abject lickspittle cunt

Gonna be weird calling that state above New South Wales, "Kingsland."

saw someone noting that after 70 years all the 'queen's counsel' lawyers have suddenly become KCs; i'm sure there are many more weird things like this

The King's English, for one.

i think it's time to move to a gender-neutral anthem - won't need to keep changing it every few decades that way, and it'll piss off all the people i enjoy pissing off.

last night of proms cancelled as well. ha ha.

God Save the Qing

if we could abandon the dirge entirely, that would be ideal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolean_era <- charles ii was carolean

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_era <- charles i was caroline

so one of those, or something else. truss used carolean in parliament today but i wouldn't trust her to tell me the time of day so...

Mail-in ballot for "Caroliner Rainbow era"

wow that's a deep reference.. I saw them a couple times

Chaotic and living out a retrospective dream that makes sense only to them?

Or at least that's what I gather from the couple of interviews I've read.
Pioneer/frontier fixation that belongs in the 19th century.

a lot of noise tied in with pseudo nostalgic pseudo philosophy but apparently the show is good

that there's another one called Prince Edward

His main funfact may be his self-referential acronym: his name is Edward Antony Richard Louis, and he is Earl of Wessex.

Nice. My Dad’s initials were DAD. <3

::D that's great

Rebel Without A Cause borrowed its title from a case study of a psychopath written by Robert M Lindner which is now thought to be a classic. Robert Hare has it cited as being the source of the film which i could half believe when I read it since there have been a number of films that have taken episodic sources and created a narrative out of them , book is based around a lot of interview transcripts. But no, it is apparently just the title.

I had heard that the film was supposed to be made several years earlier with Marlon Brando but it looks like he did his film test for the studio using one of the scripts based on the Lindner book and had nothing to do with the Dean film. Book had been bought with the intention of making a film out of it but that only got as far as several partial script versions being written.

I'm currently reading Robert hare's Without Conscience book 20 years after having met the author at one of the PsychSoc talks put on at the University i was attending. He is the psychologist who devised the Psychopathy Checklist which is the Psychopath test that Jon Ronson went onto write a book about

I knew that Lou Reed's 1991 album, "Magic and Loss", was written in response to the deaths of his friends, Doc Pomus and "Rotten Rita" - pretty sure Lou said as much ad nauseum. One slight problem though, Rotten Rita didn't die until 2010.

... 1992 album.

Reid Miles, mastermind of the classic Blue Note album cover aesthetic, took the picture on the cover of Bob Dylan’s the Basement Tapes

― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, December 6, 2021 1:41 PM (nine months ago)

It was Robbie Robertson’s idea, apparently.

Joan Baez's mother was born in Edinburgh.

Big Joan?

Her arms are too small and her head's like a ball, so I've heard.

Not to be confused with Big Nancy.

I just learned that P.D.Q. Bach orchestrated three Joan Baez albums.

This week: that the Sean O'Hagan who writes for the Observer and the one in the High Llamas are two different people.

it took a long time for me to figure that one out

think I learned that from this very thread

"sleeper prince"

I remember that Prince Edward tried to join the Royal Marines, but gave up after about six weeks into the training. Looking it up it seems he went to Cambridge as part of a scholarship deal whereby he would join the army after leaving university, but after graduating he put in a perfunctory effort and paid his way out. Apparently he got a 2:2 in History. Hearteningly the college let him study there despite the fact that his A-level results were dismal. But at least unlike e.g. Polly Toynbee he did finish the course and has a degree. It must have been tempting to get someone to do the work for him! And only do well enough for a 2:2 so as not to arouse suspicion. But that would be wrong.

It was probably a bad moment, but he just doesn't look very impressive in military uniform, despite carrying an SLR:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/11/13/23/46504FB500000578-5079315-image-a-2_1510617058122.jpg

He still wears military uniform on special occasions, presumably because he's an honorary something or other. Prince Edward is fascinating in that he had all the ingredients to be a popular Royal but the execution was all wrong and no-one liked him. He just didn't look like a man who commanded respect. He had the air of Wesley Crusher about him but without the ability to reconfigure the phase matrix of the chronometric feedback loop:
https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/3026200a/dba4e22e/Shutterstock_3026200a.jpg

Whereas conversely Prince Andrew came across as a massive arse even before The Modern Era and Princess Anne was obnoxious. I wonder if republicans rue Diana's memory. Without her the modern-day Royals would be an unappealing lot, instead of the universally-beloved people they are in our world.

Prince Edward has never been fascinating even for a nanosecond. As for Princess Anne, she is literally the only one of the Queen's children anyone ever has anything good to say about, and always has been.