Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

Add it to the list, I guess.

James is referring her findings to federal prosecutors in Manhattan, who could possibly open a criminal investigation into bank fraud, according to a footnote in the lawsuit.

Through "persistent and repeated business fraud," the Trumps convinced banks to lend money to the Trump Organization on more favorable terms than deserved, according to the lawsuit, which named the former president, three of his adult children, the company, and two of its executives, Allan Weisselberg and Jeff McConney.

civil suit

trump is going to have to pay some money (or somehow he'll get someone else to pay it for him), 3 to 20 years down the line, after hundreds of appeals. plus they might get him to move his business operations to another state, like, i don't know, Florida, where the fascists seem to really love him. meanwhile he was actively trying to find immigrant murderers and put them in american cities so that he could prove his important point that immigrants are murderers

justice is served

The civil lawsuit, filed Wednesday in State Supreme Court in Manhattan, seeks a $250 million judgment and a prohibition on any of the Trumps leading a company in the state of New York.

Among other allegations, the suit claims that the former president’s Florida estate and golf resort, Mar-a-Lago, was valued as high as $739 million, but should have been valued at around one-tenth that amount, at $75 million. The suit says that higher valuation was "based on the false premise that it was unrestricted property and could be developed for residential use even though Mr. Trump himself signed deeds donating his residential development rights and sharply restricting changes to the property."

In other words, yeah, this will amount to shit some years down the line, but in the meantime, boy, I just bet it makes him really mad. Like, super mad. Maybe he'll counter sue for emotional damages?

Not one fucking thing will come of this beyond a token fine years from now.

well, even though it's a civil suit it seems a pretty thorough investigation was done, and it's being referred to state and federal prosecutors as well as the IRS. Maybe not much will happen, but nothing at all would happen without this step.

Oh, I don't disagree, it's just the last, I don't know, ten years or so have convinced me that there are just simply no actual consequences whatsoever for rich white men. None.

let's see if the feds act on it. if they do, it's hard for me to imagine that they'll complete the "investigation" (even though NYS just did it for them) before the 2024 election, which of course, starts the day after the mid-term

we can't charge him with federal crimes! he's trying to be the president again!

I'm more interested in state prosecution, since he can't be pardoned by a GOP President for that.

Maybe he'll counter sue for emotional damages?

Apparently his recent attempted suit against Hillary Clinton for 'Russiagate' was so laughably badly written that the judge promptly tossed it

"... there are just simply no actual consequences whatsoever for rich white men. None."

I don't know, Epstein got a consequence.

One potential problem Trump could face in responding to multiple civil and criminal suits filed in multiple venues is that he'll need to assemble a large legal team to cope with them and the type of firms who could do this at a high level of competence have watched how Trump operates and very likely won't take him as a client. He's down to scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of legal talent willing to represent him.

Look how well Alex Jones, who is both white and very wealthy, is doing with his incompetent legal team. There is room to hope that Trump will see some substantial consequences.

Alex Jones, for talking shit about parents of dead kids back in 2012.

It is a testament to our legal system that even the shittiest lawyers hired by the shittiest people for the crimiest crimes can stretch these cases out for decades

Exactly. He'll be dead before it gets around to any ramifications for him. Sure, his shitty offspring might be around to feel the sting, but he won't.

I'd settle for him being dead as a consolation prize.

Trump should be sentenced to never being allowed to shower or change his underwear again

nothing will happen. the DA who would prosecute this as a criminal case has already declined. in principal he can change his mind, but he won't.

good work AOC anyway

Trump can thank @AOC for this @NewYorkStateAG lawsuit https://t.co/KcDOzzNaQF

— Mike Sacks (@MikeSacksEsq) September 21, 2022

Alex Jones, for talking shit about parents of dead kids back in 2012.

The defamation suits against Jones were filed in Texas in 2018 and the verdicts arrived at in 2022. And there was a pandemic that made a total mess of court dockets inserted in that time frame. Just sayin' that not every suit takes ten years to resolve.

true but there is no one more skilled at delaying litigation than Trump. dude knows all the tricks and virtually every motion he files for is just an attempt to stall things further. he pleaded for a special master, got one who was firmly in his camp, and refused to even cooperate with that. it's all a show.

also, didn't the judge (the one confirmed in the days after january 6) who allowed the special master already state that she would take the special master's findings under review but could override them herself as she saw fit?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/21/politics/appeals-court-mar-a-lago-criminal-classified-documents/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-classified-documents-justice-department-11th-circuit-court-of-appeals-stay/

two of the justices were Trump appointees too, lol

By the end of this clip, Trump almost completely decomposes.

If you saw someone on a sidewalk talking this way, you’d put your phone to your ear, stare at the ground and cross the street as fast as possible.

Via @atrupar pic.twitter.com/SFUI8jOr4o

— Bill Grueskin (@BGrueskin) September 22, 2022

Brain visibly collapsing in on itself there.

remarkable how raddled and unkempt he looks there, like they dragged him from bed to do the interview

Hillary? LOL

hey, FOX calls him "former president." Progress.

Brain visibly collapsing in on itself there.

― circa1916,

Trump's too.

Slightly loving how painful it clearly is for Hannity to have to keep Trump from stepping on third rails in these interviews, and how unable Trump is to keep from treading from those third rails.

Maybe I'm dead and watching Hannity in Hell/purgatory?

sounds like he's doing an impression of James Austin Johnson at times

I mean, as usual Trump will skate on this documents thing because there's probably no specific law that says a President can't declassify thing "by just thinking about it."

By that reasoning, he's declassified 75% of Mr. Skin.

A journalist should send him the equivalent of a FOIA request. "Since you've declassified all these documents simply by waving your stubby paws over them, sir, may we read them now, too?"

Iirc a couple of people/organizations already did!

Has he ever attempted to explain why he "declassified" them and took them to Mar-a-Lago? I can't keep up.

they were just time magazines with him on the cover, he wanted to look at them in his free time

xpost Because he wanted to catch up on his work now that he doesn't have at that coup-plotting stuff to distract him.

all that

Some of those documents can't be declassified by anybody, even the President

“That was appropriately quick," former prosecutor @MitchellEpner noted. https://t.co/dlnbFe1Nzp

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) September 22, 2022

supposedly this change she's made means that the stay can't be appealed to SCOTUS anymore

I don't know, Epstein got a consequence.

He got a get-out-of-jail-early card, and to protect dozens and dozens of his clients in the process.

anything can be appealed to scotus as scotus isn't following rules any more

the old court order was vacated and a newer one was issued, so there is no old order in force to appeal

Haberman describes Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Mich.) getting a phone call from an unknown number. “When she answered, the man on the other end identified himself as a Washington Post reporter, and said he knew her husband from his investigations in Congress. The name he gave was not one she recognized. The man asked Dingell if she was looking for an apology from Trump. No, she replied, merely that people could be civil to one another. As the man talked, Dingell couldn’t shake the idea that his voice sounded like that of the forty-fifth president.”

Phony call very much in character.

Newly released Jan. 6 body-worn camera footage shows the mob using an enormous TRUMP sign as a battering ram against police. pic.twitter.com/8pPMupf2cn

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) September 28, 2022