Twitter C/D

Turning *it* into

It really isn't hard to find any of that stuff on there

Maybe so, but those voices have never drowned out others, as they do on so many "free speech" platforms.

It's so much better than Reddit or Instagram in that regard. Partly I think it's just cause there's less activity overall but Twitter moderation is more effective as well, for now. I still wonder if Reddit was intentionally designed to platform toxic trolling and disinformation or it's just come to be seen as a feature not a bug.

Caek appreciate your perspective despite your self-deprecating presentation, that's a perspective that I wouldn't just stumble across from an average user. How Platforms Turn Boring certainly seems to nail the core issues with the business model. I again have to take issue over Reddit soz:

Platforms like Twitter and Reddit have maintained a steady user base and a mostly unique culture for more than 15 years

Such a false equivalence. Having a community based mainly on following real personalities vs manufactured subforums each with their own nearly completely arbitrary system of moderation makes a huge difference in mediating bad faith manipulation. When I see a bad actor pop up in my Twitter feed now it's usually completely obvious. On Reddit they are basically running the site at this point. And having been there nearly since the beginning, being targeted for harassment by brigades of racist trolls, and finally the admins turning my subreddit of ten years and 10,000 followers over to the trolls -- it is NOT the same site it was 14 years ago. /rant

tbh I thought most of that shit was gone from Reddit. but its hard for me to tell cuz all I follow are band subs & other niche communities, plus some of the good meme communities. front page stuff doesn't seem too toxic though it's basically impossible to have an actual conversation on there

A lot of the absolute worst I saw was scientific disinformation being passed off as factual, on climate change, covid etc. Like real manufactured bullshit frequently dominating the discussion on supposedly technical subreddits, because that's a lot of what I followed. I haven't been on there in over a year but throughout 2020 and on there was a LOT of smearing of BLM going on even in the "better" subs. In terms of music, the toxicity (particularly racism) is better than it was circa 2019 but the biggest music subreddit are also quite prejudiced really. /r/ElectronicMusic is completely awful, I'm convinced it's run by alt right trolls wearing their little masks of civility. They shadow banned me for one comment I made, when 'Smack My B*tch Up' was the top post in their sub, using quite a reasonable tone to point out the potential issues of gender politics involved. Don't forget this is the site that gave us Gamergate, and porn is apparently the main (only?) draw of new users to the site. I'd suggest taking a peek at the histories of people you engage with sometimes, see what dark corners of that toxic mess might attract them. Of course most actual concern trolls constantly cycle through new accounts to hide their tracks.

And really, my music subreddit was actually targeted by a brigade of very toxic bad faith trolls apparently mainly because of our vocal stance against racism and other forms of bigotry. The admins were no help, the tools they give mods to actually prevent trolls just shitting up a subreddit are pretty weak if they're really determined. And after the trolls made a fake replica of my subreddit and tried to drive users there, they did finally hand my subreddit over to the trolls after I took it private.

The dudes who founded Reddit are quite toxic. Shall I link to the New Yorker article where spez (a white man from Virginia) expressed his prepper view of society, and explained that after the collapse he had no doubt that slavery would return but he was confident he would be one of the slaveowners, so he was cool with it. For real tho.

Sorry should this be taken to another thread?

My last day was Monday. So sad I wasn’t around for the three hour company 2023 strategy meeting yesterday that was interrupted after 15 mins by news the stock had been suspended.

lol, sorry dude. fwiw i am about to put in my two weeks at meta.

you guys should start a new social network (facetweet)

And really, my music subreddit was actually targeted by a brigade of very toxic bad faith trolls apparently mainly because of our vocal stance against racism and other forms of bigotry. The admins were no help, the tools they give mods to actually prevent trolls just shitting up a subreddit are pretty weak if they're really determined. And after the trolls made a fake replica of my subreddit and tried to drive users there, they did finally hand my subreddit over to the trolls after I took it private.

that sucks. I really liked FFA.

I like reddit, I like the weirdness of really niche communities. Like r/pickles

lol, sorry dude. fwiw i am about to put in my two weeks at meta.

― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, October 6, 2022 1:59 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

oof.

"oof" or "congrats"? generally life has been better for me post bigtech.

Oh cheers lukas! You on the bird app?

Love the way Notifications are increasingly fucked. Great to find out someone replied to you only days later when you're suddenly told someone liked a reply to the reply to your original tweet.

I am on the bird app! my name here plus a b

I wish there was a better sorting mechanism for replies. As far as I can tell, replies are sorted to prioritize points of view that correspond most closely to my own, which is flattering to my ego but also gives me a false sense of how certain posts are actually perceived.

r/pickles - > r/picklemen ?

this does not bode well for twitter

Musk plans to cut Twitter’s staff by nearly 75% — via ⁦@washingtonpost⁩ https://t.co/IYIqKYyoBa

— Patrick Marley (@patrickdmarley) October 20, 2022

my name here plus a b

blukas?

holy shit xp. i had assumed i left to avoid being part of the low morale/badly paid majority who don't get fired and now you have to work on an alt right cesspool. seems like i actually left to avoid getting fired along with almost everyone else.

how he going to create x if he fires everyone

guess the plan is actually just to cut costs declare twitters business good and sell it

good comment on the twitter blind in response to this article:

"it's like buying an overpriced house and burning down 75% of it to save on electricity and heating, and end up living in the bathroom"

general consensus seems to be that he as an unduly high opinion of twitter's internal documentation and automation if he thinks he can fire 75% of the headcount.

As long as you can leverage your burned-down house for some ridiculous multiple of what you paid for it, it's all good.

He's going to roll out self-driving Twitter.

Or this could just be more bullshit he pulled out of his ass like everything else he says.

blukas?

so close

lubkas

maybe he just thinks the site was more fun when you'd see the fail whale several times a week

i do have some nostalgia for the fail whale

hey lets all use Twitter Blue!!

twitter should randomly go down a few hours a day. it’s help the chronically online have a cooling off period instead of tweeting through it

fwiw twitter has had <1 hour of downtime in the last 7 years or something iirc. it's way better than facebook's uptime for example, despite twitter's reputation for being a shitshow[*]. so there's probably some slack before things get really bad.

but things won't get bad slowly. i.e. it's not going to be a fail whale thing where it deteriorates for some users some of the time. it's going to break eventually.

[*] deserved on the product side, not at all deserved on the eng side.

This is my favorite tweet I saw this week, perfect encapsulation of Twitter 2022. Five years ago it would be utterly inscrutable to me, feels like a line from a Mark Leyner novel or a Mad Lib.

A woman went to a shop to confront her door dash guy so a cat asked why she didn't just do her own shopping and got called ableist

downtime is not bad. continuous uptime on a media known for “storms” of content is bad.

Lady Gaga becomes the latest celebrity to fall into a meme trend of someone posting a picture of a celebrity or 3D-rendered character for humorous effect

ok

your move tiktok

I'd hate to be Lady Gaga right now

I used to think those trending topics were just really poorly written but it's pretty obvious they're just made as obtuse as possible for clicks

my sister was freelancing for twitter writing ad copy that went in the trending list, so m/l the same thing as those, and she said she go to three meetings to come up with some shit like that lol

I wonder what the new 3-d object social media will be called

Is there a setting that I'm missing to stop seeing tweets from people that I don't follow, but have been liked by people I follow? I feel like this is half my feed all of a sudden and it sucks.

switch from home to latests tweets, should be a button at the top somewhere depending on where youre using it

yeah the default is algorithmic timeline but to twitter's credit it is afaik the only social network to retain the option to go back to reverse chronological, and they've been clear they don't plan to remove that option.

till friday

musk has been openly hostile to the algorithmic feed fwiw. he tells people to turn it off all the time.

Very important to fix your Twitter feed:

1. Tap home button.
2. Tap stars on upper right of screen.
3. Select “Latest tweets”.

You are being manipulated by the algorithm in ways you don’t realize.

Easy to switch back & forth to see the difference.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) May 14, 2022

he's good again

"switch from home to latests tweets, should be a button at the top somewhere depending on where youre using it"

I actually change this quite often to see the differences - I wish Facebook had this

yeah the default is algorithmic timeline but to twitter's credit it is afaik the only social network to retain the option to go back to reverse chronological, and they've been clear they don't plan to remove that option.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, October 26, 2022 10:57 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

instagram has that option but people on the 'gram don't post nearly as much as people on the bird app, so if you go to recent posts, it's all media publications and celebs instead of people in your life.

so instagram's algorithmic feed makes sense to me, but it's still way too easy to miss posts