Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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i wouldn't

saigo no ice cream (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 8 October 2022 20:21 (one year ago) link

Sorry but “boyfriend of ten years” and “going to propose” are mutually exclusive. I’m not clicking that shit either, but wow if you missed one such hint I’m not surprised you missed another.

barry sito (gyac), Saturday, 8 October 2022 20:23 (one year ago) link

The article is actually fine, she’s an ally and the article was published with her ex’s blessing. Read to the end.

Madchen, Saturday, 8 October 2022 20:57 (one year ago) link

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cjca4x8AeH8/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Madchen, Saturday, 8 October 2022 20:59 (one year ago) link

xp you know what publication doesn’t deserve to get the benefit of the doubt from people? The guardian.

barry sito (gyac), Saturday, 8 October 2022 21:01 (one year ago) link

yeah i looked at the opening sentence and jumped to the obvious conclusion

saigo no ice cream (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 8 October 2022 21:03 (one year ago) link

Also, I don’t know how you square being an ally with telling this particular story and sharing praise from your friends on your Instagram story about how brave you are.

barry sito (gyac), Saturday, 8 October 2022 21:06 (one year ago) link

ok I read it, and yeah it's not as vile as I presumed based on the url. tbh I'm not sure what to think of it though. the beginning is pretty rough, and the trick of switching her ex's pronouns chronologically within the story feels a little clever-clever and disrespectful. but what do I know, I suppose it could be beneficial to show people this journey and its ending not being tragic. however, it did disturb me how much the emotional beats of the break-up reminded me of a friend who is currently going through a traumatic marital crisis caused by infidelity; it's hard not to hear blame & betrayal here. ultimately, I mostly just wish you got to read her ex's version of the story

rob, Saturday, 8 October 2022 21:37 (one year ago) link

Yeah, p much. This read a lot like 'please congratulate me for not going full terf over this'.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 October 2022 22:07 (one year ago) link

this is genuinely the funniest thing I’ve ever readhttps://t.co/DLOCYLf8GV

— ansel avizandum (@AliceAvizandum) October 9, 2022

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 October 2022 13:30 (one year ago) link

Lol at some of the comments.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 October 2022 13:30 (one year ago) link

Just totally shredded.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 October 2022 13:30 (one year ago) link

the reversing beep of regret

mark s, Sunday, 9 October 2022 13:37 (one year ago) link

i started reading this yesterday and gave up about a third of the way in but has the grauniad ever run a piece of this length by someone who has transitioned about their experiences

manic pixie dream shatner (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 9 October 2022 14:02 (one year ago) link

Juliet Jacques wrote one but I never read it:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/series/transgender-journey

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 October 2022 14:05 (one year ago) link

i started reading this yesterday and gave up about a third of the way in but has the grauniad ever run a piece of this length by someone who has transitioned about their experiences


Indeed, was just reading this excellent thread about this piece.

A lot of people have already criticised this article but I'm quietly raging about how trans people *never* get to tell our own stories in our national media while cis people are free to talk about us and get every support in doing so. We are repeatedly denied our own agency. https://t.co/RbuDDqyxwX

— Elaine Scattermoon (@scattermoon) October 9, 2022

barry sito (gyac), Sunday, 9 October 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link

After my ex and I split up when I transitioned she married a Conservative councillor, so if anything I'm the one who should be getting the article in the Guardian here

— Natalie Washington (@Transsomething) October 9, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 10 October 2022 09:01 (one year ago) link

TERFs assemble: Hadley Freeman and Sarah Ditum both joining Sunday Times, no doubt at the behest of Janice Turner and her nepo-baby husband.

put a VONC on it (suzy), Thursday, 13 October 2022 14:23 (one year ago) link

The Times is maybe even worse than the Guardian for terfiness, it's just that nobody expects any better from them.

link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 13 October 2022 14:26 (one year ago) link

All behind a paywall too.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2022 14:27 (one year ago) link

There’s no maybe about it! JT is the worst for it and her husband is a) Peter Preston’s son and b) the executive editor.

put a VONC on it (suzy), Thursday, 13 October 2022 14:40 (one year ago) link

i thought this was going to be a revive about the JRM column

koogs, Thursday, 13 October 2022 15:28 (one year ago) link

"In an article for Unherd in February, Freeman wrote that “there was a period, about three years ago, when I honestly thought about quitting my job. I felt so hated for saying things — things that are scientifically, biologically and factually true — and so unsupported by people who I know secretly agree with me”."

https://pressgazette.co.uk/hadley-freeman-leaves-guardian-sunday-times/

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2022 15:37 (one year ago) link

scientifically, biologically and factually? now that's writing

saigo no ice cream (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 13 October 2022 15:43 (one year ago) link

It may well be trolling, but Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom is Steven Spielberg's third-best film:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/oct/13/all-steven-spielberg-films-ranked-director-the-fabelmans-et-harrison-ford

Better than Duel, Raiders, Last Crusade, and Close Encounters, among others. It's not even the third-best film he worked on in 1984. The little capsule talks about "some regrettably archaic attitudes towards Indian culture", which is putting it mildly, but on top of that it doesn't even work as an action film because the editing is choppy. And none of the characters are likeable, not even Indiana Jones. And it has no good lines. The baddy falls off a bridge.

I mean, I can quote extensively from the other two Indiana Jones films. The other two Indiana Jones films. "He chose... poorly", "she talks in her sleep", "no ticket", "it's not the years, it's the mileage", "snakes", but I can't remember any of the dialogue from Temple of Doom. And it had that stupid futuristic font on the poster that didn't fit the period.

Ashley Pomeroy, Thursday, 13 October 2022 17:58 (one year ago) link

Agree, Ashley Pomeroy. Baffling choice. I was always somewhat frustrated by the film, but wanted to be generous and like it (when I was 10 or 11). I watched it again about 2 years ago and it was still poor.

And, as you justly say, there are other films 'RANKED!' below it here that are wonderful.

Nonsense.

I'm glad to hear that Freeman is leaving the Guardian. You could say: the Guardian is bad, so it doesn't matter if a bad person leaves. But still, she is a bad person and is one of the reasons it has been bad.

the pinefox, Friday, 14 October 2022 13:57 (one year ago) link

Temple of Doom is my favourite Indiana Jones film, it's a straightforward but very detailed homage to pre-war action serials and everything about it is deliberately kitsch (including the acting) in a refreshingly non-postmodern way, no expectation at all that you'll have seen the serials. It doesn't have that classic Spielberg feel like ROTLA or TLC, but the classic Spielberg feel is so saturated into the culture now that it's hard to get much out of it. TOD just feels different, it conjures this hyper-unreal world like a Paul Verhoeven film, there aren't any quotables but I watch films to be immersed, not to chat about best bits. And yes, some parts are pretty fucking problematic, but still less so than any of those (often ridiculously racist) serials.

link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 14 October 2022 14:41 (one year ago) link

You’re going to have to pick one of these mate pic.twitter.com/TMmb9BLs5F

— Flying_Rodent (@flying_rodent) October 14, 2022

the pinefox, Saturday, 15 October 2022 11:27 (one year ago) link

On a pragmatic level, attacking a Van Gogh painting isn't going to win anybody over. Attacking art in general is uncomfortably reminiscent of certain regimes from the past.

But using soup was clever because cans of soup are potent symbols of the working class (true fact (official)). Even if the National Gallery introduces compulsory bag screening with an x-ray machine, will they ban people who carry cans of soup? But presumably they will mandate that you have to leave your bag in the cloakroom. I know from the internet that it's possible to hide fist-sized objects in a certain body cavity, but again they might introduce whole-body X-ray machines. Who knows.

The Guardian keeps sending John Harris up to Huddersfield and other places in the north to interview people on the street. Without wishing to sound snobbish I wonder if someone at the newspaper dislikes him. Hadley Freeman gets to interview Aubrey Plaza in a nice hotel in London; John Harris has to stand in the rain talking to disinterested shoppers about the need for direct action. Why is he even doing politics, anyway? He wrote a book about Britpop. He's a mid-1990s pop music writer. For such a progressive newspaper The Guardian has an odd habit of giving the heavyweight political stuff to "great modern thinkers" who are always men, e.g. Sir Michael White, Sir Simon Jenkins, Timothy Garton-Ash etc. Who all come across as low-budget knock-off of Thomas Friedman, without the first-class air travel. Meanwhile the women write about cooking and how horrible life is in New York if you're well-off.

Ashley Pomeroy, Saturday, 15 October 2022 15:13 (one year ago) link

For me Harris will never be just *a* 90s music writer, he will always be *the* 90s music writer / editor that ruined my favourite music magazine, so let's not give him too much credit there either.

link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 15 October 2022 15:19 (one year ago) link

cans of soup are the symbol of andy warhol (also working class (official))

mark s, Saturday, 15 October 2022 16:12 (one year ago) link

was heinz though. they should've used campbells

koogs, Saturday, 15 October 2022 16:55 (one year ago) link

i also wonder what happens to people who glue themselves to things. are they still there?

koogs, Saturday, 15 October 2022 16:56 (one year ago) link

quite torn about the fucking up paintings thing, don't feel like i'm enthusiastically thumbs up

saigo no ice cream (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 15 October 2022 17:35 (one year ago) link

i mean on the other hand John Harris is trying his best to make me go full soupcan

saigo no ice cream (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 15 October 2022 17:36 (one year ago) link

I'd prefer it if they targeted shitty art only of the Damien Hirst variety

pick the mouse that can reach all the cheese in the maze (Matt #2), Saturday, 15 October 2022 17:45 (one year ago) link

I'd be torn about fucking up paintings too, but I think throwing soup at a painting protected by glass was never going to damage the painting (as indeed the National Gallery has confirmed it didn't) and that the protesters probably knew this was the case.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 15 October 2022 17:50 (one year ago) link

the sunflowers don't care they'll be fine

your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 15 October 2022 17:50 (one year ago) link

i didn't realise it was behind glass, ok thumbs up then i guess

saigo no ice cream (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 15 October 2022 17:52 (one year ago) link

Yes as soon as I knew it was behind the glass (which the Stop Oil org knew) I was like who cares.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 15 October 2022 17:54 (one year ago) link

something about the micro nitpicking of everything by the online left is a bit upsetting and demoralising

there was something in the new inquiry a while back about how the concept of cringe is weaponised as a form of social control and that applies to many of the reactions to this I think

as XR-adjacent actions go lovebombing the police as they arrest you or whatever

your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 15 October 2022 18:02 (one year ago) link

*this beats

your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 15 October 2022 18:03 (one year ago) link

Like, good, rich people can pay for bail, legal representation, they are more likely to get away with it.

I learn that Pheobe Plummer, 21, who threw tomato soup over Van Gogh's Sunflowers "is believed to have attended St Mary’s School Ascot, the £15,000-a-term independent boarding school, before going to Mander Portman Woodward, a private college offering GCSE and A-Level courses".

— Emily Kate 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 (@BucketsOf_Rain) October 14, 2022

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 15 October 2022 18:14 (one year ago) link

it's only bad to be posh if you're not a tory

your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 15 October 2022 18:16 (one year ago) link

nude women drawn by men is high art but an actual nude women is scandalous

your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 15 October 2022 18:22 (one year ago) link

these things are a bit silly but people should be allowed to do them without facing state violence and people get way too hung up on the first part and ignore the rest

your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 15 October 2022 18:24 (one year ago) link

if my mates were writing puff pieces for me i would ask them to dial it down a bit

saigo no ice cream (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 16 October 2022 11:54 (one year ago) link


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