The Death of the Record Collection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwVtkuQacp8&feature=related

I recorded this commercial and would watch in endlessly.

sometimes record companies even PAY to have songs placed, and most newer bands get jack shit or nothing to be in a game...yeah like the beatles or something like that will

yup.

I am resisting the urge to post e-mails I've received from "Promotional companies" who want ME to pay THEM to put my band's song(s) on a comp CD to be shopped around for videogame/tv show/ad placement. Yes, please take my money so I can maybe one day see a few cents for my music being used in a diaper commercial. fucking people, sometimes I hate them.

lol Dan you think nobody can hear the backwards-masked "wicked clown"s in that ad but I can

the only reasons for me to maintain a collection of music as digital files:

1) so i can mess with that shit in editing software, make mixes etc. (not sure if this is something that could ever work as well just online but maybe, eventually)

2) seeming inability of apps like spotify to include all the things you want to hear (partly due to the tedious draconian licensing crap but also obscureness/actual unavailability of some material)

3) DJing...you wouldn't want to rely on a streaming service alone for this - i've yet to use a laptop, ipod or similar for the purpose either but would)

i doubt i'll possess any CDs (and probably no vinyl either, tho that stuff does have more sentimental and aesthetic value) 5-10 years from now if not sooner

harder to say whether amount of music on hard drives will now start to slowly shrink

nina meyers!

ah hi dere why lol at that? i studied classical music. buy a cd, buy/copy a score, that was my "collecting". or was that some sort of OIC thinks he's a serious musician because he's studied it. fair enough. whatever.

"Going to gigs sucks and so does playing them" does not compute.

eh, anyway, the way i see it there's no way selling your own recordings on its own is going to make you any money anymore. i'd rather find solutions than moan about how greedy people are and how fucked up the music industry is. i'd rather busk for a day than work a bar job. at least with the busking i have to arrange some tunes, practice, learn something that can inform my own work. i'd rather teach guitar to 15 kids a week than sit at a shitty office job. i guess that's just me.

maybe i spent too long reading big george in sound on sound and took the "work your fucking ass off or just give up" attitude of my music business lectures too seriously.

anyway, back to people selling their cds and records.

That was a lol at "I don't have a music collection aside from this pile of 1000 CDs", which most (if not all) people would look at and say "hmm, that bears an uncanny resemblance to a large collection of music".

john if you can remember one show me a thread where you make your point about all of this, i'd be interested in it. TMG are aiit.

yeah, doh, i guess i don't see it like that. they live with my books, it not so much for pleasure as much as knowing stuff for essays and stuff.

Spent 3 hours yesterday digging through dusty records in some diddleshit town in western PA and pulled out 36 awesome 12"s (some of which are pretty hard to find and obscure, some just classics) for $50. Also spent some time talking to the guy working about weird dub, burritos, and Red Hot Chili Peppers tattoos. Why would I give all this up to stream shit to my phone?!?!

I can get behind streaming music but streaming shit is a step too far

we all have those days... I just try to leave the phone out of it.

I've spent months ripping my collection to flac and am almost done. I've only trimmed a little fat, selling about 8% of the CDs. I have over 7,000 albums on the NAS at home and backed up at work. It's awesome being able to access anything in my collection virtually 24-7. And when the 2TB SDXC cards finally come out, I will pretty much have it all with me almost all the time. Perhaps someday it'll be embedded in our skin.

the 2TB SDXC cards

^ this is genuinely mind-boggling for me.

The problem I have with ever-growing disk space is that it will feed a compulsion to upgrade all of my mp3s to the highest possible compression rate and soon I'll find that I just don't have enough disk space.

I admit this is probably not a reasonable problem to have...

soooooooo glad i don't have to worry about something like compression rates!!

i mean, i have enough to worry about.

It's awesome being able to access anything in my collection virtually 24-7.

I can do that too. With my records. they're on shelves. Though I've moved some of them upstairs to the bedroom 'cos there's a record player there too.

^^^for realz

continually upgrading my music to some other format is fucking pointless and irritating. vinyl is vinyl and will always be vinyl.

wow you guys carry around shelves of records on your backs at all times, very impressive. where do you keep the turntable? fannypack?

fuck a vinyl record. wax cylinders 4ever

The problem I have with ever-growing disk space is that it will feed a compulsion to upgrade all of my mp3s to the highest possible compression rate and soon I'll find that I just don't have enough disk space.

I admit this is probably not a reasonable problem to have...

― Moodles, Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:39 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

Skip the upgrade and just get everything in FLAC

i have all the episodes of npr on dat, if nyone is interested emaul me

2 TB SDXC cards = blaaaahweoawrhga84etg!

It's going to come down to cataloging.
Some OCD metal dude is going to make the definitive metal playlist, nicely foldered and tagged with good bitrate/sound quality, and it will start to get copied and traded around, people will tweak it to their own tastes, add new releases, maybe some popular alternate versions will emerge. Ditto for other genres.
Serious question:
Every junglist track pre 2005 (arbitrary cutoff) = how many bytes?

Really, the Hip-Hop card (volumes I and II), the blues card (Big Dave's BBQ Version), the punk card, etc.......

2 freaking Terabytes on an SD card........

John Cage's 4 years and 33 days of silence, available now on a 2TB card

I heard you had an SDXC of every relevant pre-war blues track from 1910-1939

do flacs fit in regular sized CD binders

Yeah, I have that Cage piece, but at a low bitrate, anyone have a FLAC?

With 2 Freaking Terabytes, you could even fit in the semi-relevant ones.....

no fooling, every blues track from 1910-1939 = how many bytes?

I've only looked at the start of this thread, so maybe this point already made. Basically, I am struck by how one of my record collector friend heavily fetishises and collects vinyl and only vinyl. He is part of some retro muso scene where these people collect olde vinyl records and play them at discos. How quaint. Anyway, I reckon that maybe in general record collecting might well die off, but you will still get people who collect vinyl records, in the same way that other people collect stamps.

hey cracklebox, would you say that your 1000 cd uncollection is a fairly comprehensive overview of classical music?
like; most of the major works of the major composers?

because 800MB x 1000 CDs = 800 000MB = not even HALF of an SDXC card.
an SDXC card the size of your thumbnail.

that is some scifi madness there. you can play that card in your FLYING CAR.

....."look what i found between the sofa cushions, classical music! all of it."

2 f r e a k i n g t e r a b y t e s . . . . . .

do flacs fit in regular sized CD binders

― tylerw, Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:39 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

You might as well put up a big sign on your house that says "steal all the music in existence"!

Then we'd really be screwed...

800MB x 1000 CDs = 800 000MB = not even HALF of an SDXC card....
= uncompressed digital audio; not mp3s, not FLAC = gggaonbvap984tl!!

I don't want all music ever to take up no space; wtf do you keep on your shelves once yr books are on a Kindle and yr music's on a memory stick? Porcelain dogs? No fucking way.

You take down the shelves and put up some cool art.

That's pretty much my plan, anyway!

I have cool art up too!

i keep my porcelain dogs in binders but shit is padlocked so don't even think about it kleptos

Expect a visit from ASPCA.

Is there a records collectors thread on ilm? Using this one now... Record collectors of ilm: how often do you consider selling all your records?

I've collected for abt seven-eight years and have enjoyed it, learned a lot from it, but feel a bit like maybe letting it go now. Not sure I wanna keep spending the money, and feel like a static collection is kinda like... death. Otoh I enjoy some of the memories connected to the records and am not comfortable letting go of those... Anyway, dunno what to do, will prob give it a year or so. But rn feel like spotify and a bit of piracy is maybe all I need.

I barely buy records at all anymore - I just don't have the $$$ - and periodically I'll cull my collection but no way would I get rid of it at this point (25+ years on), I listen to it all the time

Love records but too many cheeky £1 charmers that have been smoking behind the bikesheds for the last 10-15 years are now lording it up silly prices, those lads might just have to find themselves a new home

Have sold off hundreds of records at local record markets, once a year past four years, it's been good, feel like I have a nice and trimmed collection.

When I started collecting I made it a point to not listen to mp3s, I know the two are not mutually exclusive but for some reason I wanted to try using only physical media. Which I've now done for quite a few years. Then last week I bought a chromecast audio and hooked it to my stereo with spotify connect - and now I feel like that's maybe the way I prefer playing music on my stereo. I'll probably have to give it at least a year before I know how I like it... But not entirely sure I enjoy the needle drop enough to not just spotify everything.

I hate spotify so, not an issue!

Hehe, too easyhttps://www.hifiklubben.dk/

Lol did not mean to cp that link stupid ipad

Record collectors of ilm: how often do you consider selling all your records?

15 years ago i moved from up north to down south.
at the time i decided to get rid of some of my unloved vinyl.
worst mistake ever.
yes, most of it i have been able to replace on cd, but there are certain things, that i still wake up in the middle of night while screaming 'WHY!' (eg. Drinking Gasoline 2*12 by Cabaret Voltaire, Seven Songs by 23 Skidoo).
i have never ever got rid of anything, vinyl or cd, since. despite the fact i now use a NAS drive/sonos.
i don't need the money or space anymore, so fuck it.
even if the archive is worthless i care not, i am like gollum and his ring, its precious, and that's the way it is.

I have sold records in the past and regretted it almost every time. Even when I got stupid money for it, I later wished I had it. If you desperately need the money for food or shelter, then do what you have to do. Otherwise, if you're like me, you'll regret getting rid of them.

the fracturing of the streaming services market - and possibly its eventual collapse - should be reason enough for people not to liquidate their collections unless they absolutely have to or want to for some good reason...