Doctor Who: Classic or Dud?

You might like the new logo then

https://whatsondisneyplus.com/disney-to-be-the-new-global-home-for-new-seasons-of-doctor-who-outside-the-uk-ireland/

I like this one
https://logos-world.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Doctor-Who-Logo-1984-1987.jpg

including on the older books

Fuck this Disney deal, by the way.

Yes. Good and rightly fucke.

the BBC needs the money

Back in continuity I guess

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rUs5Uo2TqdA/ThXjLyLlzII/AAAAAAAAAf0/TLBTHLzJVC4/s1600/Blog-03-2-Crossroads-of-Time.jpg

I wish someone would make a retro style WHO beucase the 70's stuff is all I like.
probably fans could make it with Aftereffects

― | (Latham Green), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 20:15 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I always thought it would be cool if someone made something that tried to capture the vibe of 60s Who, particularly the early Hartnell stuff - monochrome, slightly indistinct, fuzzy images, weird electronic noises, dreamlike atmosphere

if Ncuti Gatwa gets to meet Death's Head that would be cool as well. Throw in Motormouth and Killpower

No straying from the Furman/Senior era, please!

(also, isn't the Disney thing just a non-UK distribution deal?)

I wonder what that means for BBC America?

these were the glory days

https://i0.wp.com/www.blogtorwho.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/PicsArt_02-11-08.25.15.jpg

(also, isn't the Disney thing just a non-UK distribution deal?)

Moving the show from free to air to a subscription service is kind of a big deal, particularly for those countries where the broadcaster is publicly funded.

(I guess they'll be moving the Tardis out of the Ultimo foyer soon.)

I always thought it would be cool if someone made something that tried to capture the vibe of 60s Who, particularly the early Hartnell stuff - monochrome, slightly indistinct, fuzzy images, weird electronic noises, dreamlike atmosphere

― soref, Wednesday, October 26, 2022 2:53 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah similarly, I've always wanted to see old "lost" episodes remade in 60s pastiche style with period-appropriate effects and sounds. It did kind-of happen with that surprisingly good student film remake of Mission To The Unknown a few years back.

I wonder what that means for BBC America?

Who’s figures were fairly tiny on BBCA, I shouldn’t expect losing the series to take the channel down or anything

They did make those animated re-creations of old lost episodes but they are kind of strange like paper dolls or something

cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZuf0LIU-2A

I asked chatgpt what the worst doctor who story is and it said 'The Twin Dilemma', so I asked it to write a new improved version of the script and this is what it came up with

INT. TARDIS - DAY

The Doctor and his companion, Peri, are in the TARDIS.

THE DOCTOR
We've arrived at the planet of Jaconda. It looks like it could be a dangerous mission.

PERI
Yes, let's be careful.

EXT. PLANET JACONDA - DAY

The Doctor and Peri step out of the TARDIS.

THE DOCTOR
We need to find the source of the mysterious force.

EXT. ALIEN TEMPLE - DAY

The Doctor and Peri make their way to the temple and find two alien twins, who are being held captive by a mysterious force.

THE DOCTOR
We need to find a way to free these twins.

Peri begins to examine the alien technology in the temple, while the Doctor tries to figure out a way to free the twins.

EXT. ALIEN TEMPLE - LATER

The Doctor and Peri have managed to free the twins.

THE DOCTOR
We did it! Now, let's get these twins back to their home planet.

The Doctor and Peri take the twins

here is its attempt to improve 'death to the daleks'

INT. TARDIS - DAY

The Doctor and his companion, Sarah Jane, are in the TARDIS.

THE DOCTOR
We've arrived on Exxilon. It looks like a dangerous mission.

SARAH JANE
Yes, let's be careful.

EXT. EXXILON - DAY

The Doctor and Sarah Jane step out of the TARDIS.

THE DOCTOR
We need to find out what the Daleks are doing here.

EXT. ALIEN RUINS - DAY

The Doctor and Sarah Jane make their way to the ruins and find the Daleks, who are attempting to take control of the planet.

THE DOCTOR
We need to find a way to stop the Daleks.

Sarah Jane begins to examine the alien technology in the ruins, while the Doctor tries to figure out a way to defeat the Daleks.

EXT. ALIEN RUINS - LATER

The Doctor and Sarah Jane have managed to reprogram the Daleks to deactivate.

THE DOCTOR
We did it! Now, let's get these Daleks off Exxilon.

The Doctor and Sarah Jane

can you write a new improved version of the script for the doctor who story 'the pickwick papers'

INT. TARDIS - DAY

The Doctor and his companion, Dodo, are in the TARDIS.

THE DOCTOR
We've arrived in 1836 London. It looks like a dangerous mission.

DODO
Yes, let's be careful.

EXT. 1836 LONDON - DAY

The Doctor and Dodo step out of the TARDIS.

THE DOCTOR
We need to find out what Charles Dickens is up to.

EXT. LONDON STREETS - DAY

The Doctor and Dodo make their way to the streets and find Charles Dickens, who is attempting to write the Pickwick Papers.

THE DOCTOR
We need to find a way to help Charles Dickens with his novel.

Dodo begins to examine the people on the streets, while the Doctor tries to figure out a way to help Charles Dickens.

EXT. LONDON STREETS - LATER

The Doctor and Dodo have managed to provide Charles Dickens with the inspiration he needs to write the novel.

THE DOCTOR
We did it! Now, let's get out of here.

The Doctor and Dodo make their way back

I can't believe Tom Baker was in The Golden Voyage of Sinbad!

really considering getting BritBox again but $$

those ai scripts remind me of the stories i would write in elementary school, which would do the set up to get to the action, and then there's a sentence saying what action is happening, the end.

Stuck The Underwater Menace 3 through the Adobe AI tool (I had reasons) so here is what the artificial intelligence made of that cliffhanger.

Warning: the theme tune will haunt your soul! pic.twitter.com/TC6OpGtYWf

— David G 🎄 (@pie1883) January 18, 2023

i finally watched the last one. at one point when she’s about to regenerate for real The Doctor plaintively opines that she wants “to see what happens next”… but she will, surely? Isn’t the whole point that The Doctor stays the same? It’s just a new body? So… why wouldn’t you see what happens next? Similarly, The Master “regenerates as The Doctor” but… he’s still just him, wearing her clothes? What am I missing??

You're missing less than Chibnall tbh

I welcome all the new ai generated Tom Baker episodes

Nah, different Doctors are pretty different.

I would never willingly stand up for Chibnall, but from the start there seems to be a certain consistent idea that
1. the new Doctor retains all the memory of the old Doctors BUT
2. the new Doctor is a new personality (though more or less broadly consistent with their past selves, except when writers decide they need the Doctor to do a genocide or Pip and Jane Baker try to do comedy) AND SO
3. the previous Doctor does die, in a way--the person who carries on their life is not exactly them HENCE
4. different regenerations always squabbling when they meet up in anniversary specials, etc

Sure but she talks as if she is going to somehow not going “to see what happens next” and is sad about that, which is just not how it works. And I’m far from a Who cognoscento!

SHE isn’t, someone who inherits her memories is.

But this is all interpretation.

I have been intrigued by retention of memory between Doctors. If they are experienced as personal experience despite having happened to a different regeneration or if they're retained on a more factoid level. I think there would tend to be a difference in valorisation between the 2 but of course the Doctor is an alien with a vastly different level of intelligence

When I was a kid i used to think I regenerated in my sleep, like “when I go to sleep the today me will die, tomorrow I will be someone else but the same”. I don’t remember being a gloomy kid in general

Anyway xpost — I think this is one of the things Doctor Who is very good at, and Moffat often used to talk about: deliberately not overexplaining things so children have room to make their own guesses. Obviously Chibnall broke with that somewhat, but he seems to have gotten away with it, because his over-explanations make even less sense than the under-explanations.

I would never willingly stand up for Chibnall, but from the start there seems to be a certain consistent idea that
1. the new Doctor retains all the memory of the old Doctors BUT
2. the new Doctor is a new personality (though more or less broadly consistent with their past selves, except when writers decide they need the Doctor to do a genocide or Pip and Jane Baker try to do comedy) AND SO
3. the previous Doctor does die, in a way--the person who carries on their life is not exactly them HENCE
4. different regenerations always squabbling when they meet up in anniversary specials, etc

I agree with all of this; even the early Doctor regenerations are very much presented as deaths imo. The Doctor is always reluctant, often frightened; they always say a sad and heartfelt goodbye to their companions, and not just in a "I know this is going to be hard on you because it seems like I'm dying but really I'm going to pop up again in a minute with a new face" kind of way. It's never said explicitly that there's a part of the Doctor's consciousness or sense of self that doesn't carry over, but it's a reasonably short step from what we've seen, I think.

Agree with all of this; particularly in nu-Who, it’s been established that a regeneration is a full-on personality reset. The various incarnations are all variations on a common theme but they are very distinct from each other in non-trivial ways and exist as their own entities even as they contribute to the whole that is The Doctor.

for sure, except The Doctor definitely will "see what happens next"! i guess i'm harping on this but look this is a safe space

I am sipping from the Buddhism non-self connection in this milkshake

Right, but that specific version of the Doctor won’t see what happens next (unless of course she comes back for a special, but in that case she’s already seen what happens next so it’s kind of a dumb line however you slice it)

James Bond shd do this imo

of course when he was wearing the Crown of Rassilon he had access to all the other Timlord's memories too

Just struck by idea that if one doesn't have direct personal experience of a memory it is somewhat foreign.& a different personality has a different perspective. So how one experiences and accesses memories belonging to a not quite you is interesting.
Like there's an impermeable membrane between things one directly experiences and what another person with different prior experience would.
Like thinking even if you could experience directly what another person felt, your prior experience is part of your filter system for interpretation of that experience so it would subsequently not be the same anyway, surely.

OBviously it's a fictional device allowing tv show to change actors more easily but it does seem like instead of the character being a blank slate at the time the regeneration happens but that (s)he's come back as a fully formed personality. Just that they have to get used to taht new personality not form it from blank.
Like they've just stepped into a new version's own timeline which is only externally manifest to the world from that point

I hate the fact that I often remember things wrong - of course many things I dont remember at all- now that we all take a billion digital photos per year our memoery can be verified I guess.
And one day shall we wear video contact lenses that record every waking moment?

Season 9 blu-ray trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1rHwBiVyJQ

Somewhat addictive

https://www.doctorwho.tv/play/thirteen

Great UI there that covers up part of the rules.

This rules

there goes my work week... can't get past the 8th doctor

I got to 9

Yeah, this is a total time hole.