class in the UK - how the fuck does it work?

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pinefox i read your earlier post back, yes, sorry, i agree

saigo no ice cream (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 13:00 (five months ago) link

And I agree that accent is extremely unreliable bit it isn't considered unreliable by the media - hence the whole gammon fiasco.

Fronted by a bearded Phil Collins (Tom D.), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 13:03 (five months ago) link

oh yeah agree

saigo no ice cream (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 13:04 (five months ago) link

regional (non-RP) accents seem to connote authenticity and legitimacy of concerns only if they're expressing conservative views, otherwise they're just mocked or ignored - some kind of RP still seems to be a requirement for most kinds of "serious" political and intellectual leadership. this is definitely about class but doesn't map neatly onto it in material terms and it's hard for me to locate cause and effect more precisely here

your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 13:21 (five months ago) link

If they express conservative views they're mocked as ignorant racist Northern proles.

Fronted by a bearded Phil Collins (Tom D.), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 13:27 (five months ago) link

both of you otm

saigo no ice cream (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 13:30 (five months ago) link

When I first started infant school I was practically speaking in an estuary English accent that I picked up through imitation from two middle class kids my registered childminder mum was looking after for a year. But that didn't last very long. But then I got moved to a catholic school in a posher area on account of the headmaster beating my brother with a pool cue at the previous not so posh school. I was about 8 when I first fully realised the class dynamics of getting othered/judged/disparaged by children and also adults, purely on account of the the area you are from and would try not to admit that I lived in a very rough part of Deighton. But then I'd make up for it over the next 40 odd years by never shutting the fuck up about where I grew up, lol it turns you into a wittering basketcase 4 life!

calzino, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 13:40 (five months ago) link

when i started infant school my mom and dad didn't want me to be mates with a lad who had a strong Brummagem accent. i think that's partly cos they couldn't hear their own strong Walsall accents ffs

saigo no ice cream (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 13:54 (five months ago) link

I had to learn to talk proper as a kid to be taken seriously after moving from e london to surrey and then I tried to unlearn it as a teen to sound more street as I lost interest in doing well and now I have the kind of generic estuary that can be more or less posh situationally but I find generally embarrassing in both directions esp when I unconsciously imitate who I'm speaking to. relatives who stayed in london sound more authentically working class than me but they're also mostly better off. this is a minefield and it can be v hard to disentangle the parts that are class from the parts that are other shit

your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 13:59 (five months ago) link

i think the point is that we think about it yeah? like we have to think about it? say this with love

saigo no ice cream (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 14:07 (five months ago) link


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