Elon Musk

oh yeah another reason to quit is how funny it would be if this fails quickly

lol gyac, I am of course part of my own problem there, so maybe it's like cutting out wine while continuing to drink beer & liquor

I drink whiskey but not wine or beer, I see no problem with this.

me neither! that analogy was inspired by true events

oh yeah another reason to quit is how funny it would be if this fails quickly

― rob, Monday, October 31, 2022 9:52 AM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

quitting works but prob the best thing to contribute to musk twitter failing is for a lot of people to use any new freedom from moderation to to post wildly advertiser unfriendly things, also could be funny

chaotic evil is fun because lawful evil is so consistently against me.

Years back a friend of mine verified me as a prank. You could disable the verification in the settings. Maybe it’s no longer possible (e.g., I lost my verified status, rightfully, when Twitter did an audit of verified users back in 2016). But, assuming that option still exists, it’s funny to me when verified users complain about being verified.

I still think centralized verification is dumb and I think we’d be in a far better situation if, for individuals, publicly verifiable identity proofs were used. It’s embarrassing Reddit’s AMA subreddit does this better than Meta or Twitter! But I also understand this isn’t a mistake. Twitter doesn’t want to provide links to Meta services. Meta services don’t want to provide links to Twitter. Everyone knows but won’t admit that this shit is (or is potentially) valuable.

I apologize for the barrage of posts, but this story is enraging for so many reasons. Last point, Jack, whatever you think about him, is likely right about the need for decentralized authentication and authorization. Do I trust him or his proposed implementation? I haven’t looked at it closely but I’m obviously skeptical because of the source. Nevertheless, it’s an idea that I truly believe would make the web a little safer and nicer.

tangential since this is more about the mechanism of sign-in authentication and not authentication of real life identity:

lol remember when oauth was going to be the end-all, where people could bring their own auth wherever they wanted, only to be followed by oauth2 being kind of a corporate-led mess, to the extent one of the oauth creators quit the project after its release and spent the next year doing talks at conferences explaining how bad oauth2 is?

I remember a handful of sites very briefly allowing either a handful of providers or, kind of insanely, allowing you to plug in your own provider
the only vestige that remains is "sign in with google/facebook/twitter" which basically get dumped as soon as a service gets large enough they realize they're missing out on some data by not making people use their own auth

that isn't to say the two couldn't be linked, obviously. if you signed in with an identity provider explicitly linked to your organization (maybe something like the ACME mechanism LetsEncrypt uses to verify domain ownership) and that was flagged as legit by twitter, then verification of identity linked to that org could be streamlined

quitting works but prob the best thing to contribute to musk twitter failing is for a lot of people to use any new freedom from moderation to to post wildly advertiser unfriendly things, also could be funny

I don’t he has this one covered tbh

Jack, whatever you think about him, is likely right about the need for decentralized authentication and authorization. Do I trust him or his proposed implementation? I haven’t looked at it closely but I’m obviously skeptical because of the source. Nevertheless, it’s an idea that I truly believe would make the web a little safer and nicer.

― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, October 31, 2022 10:34 AM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i found the developer page

https://atproto.com/guides/overview

I wonder how many fake accounts there are

Also its funny he wants to charge 20$ a month to be verified - so like if Beyonce doesn't pay she is going to lose her blue logo?

Why not make it more first of all or base the fee on how many followers you have

xp oh yeah I was looking at that last week but forgot it had anything to do with Dorsey

seems decent, probably won't get any traction

yeah

https://jaygraber.medium.com/web3-is-self-certifying-9dad77fd8d81

Then there is this type of thinking

the blockchain will solve this

lol blockchain

Seems like online identity verification is something the government could provide pretty easily. They verify people's identities all the time. (It would have the added advantage of right-wingers boycotting it becz govt). But like the digital equivalent of a passport, which could live in a secure place but you could link to from your social media bio or whatever.

phone number seems to be more important than physical address lately

Estonian solved this

Estonia*

estonianchain

https://preview.redd.it/5wle6aa325351.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=4c7b7f52ecfdab780639886f65fde6b894488330

speaking of Dorsey

I hate reading articles about blockchain because I am worried I am not understanding it
but then I wonder if there is actually anything worth understanding

funny I remember reading a story about Tesla where Elon would fire anyone who was discovered to have a second job or side hustle because he wanted their attention focused solely on their job at Tesla. well now Elon is the CEO of 3 separate, very different companies, plus he apparently has the time to shitpost & play video games all day, not to mention impregnating one of his subordinates every few months. is his involvement with these companies just "do this dumb idea or you're fired"??

I hate reading articles about blockchain because I am worried I am not understanding it
but then I wonder if there is actually anything worth understanding

― | (Latham Green), Monday, October 31, 2022 10:06 AM (forty-seven seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

I dont think blockchain is that complex, it's just a large linked list which everyone on the network needs to have a copy of to verify new entries. or something like that anyway. I think there is an actual plausible use case involving authentication tokens that could in theory be used across multiple networks but, as always with blockchain stuff, there's already a much quicker and easier way to do it out there

heres a brief primer that pretty much covers it https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2022-the-crypto-story/

we're kind of past the era where people who were rich and/or had power had to be serious people;

I think you should probably look up the Habsburgs (or really any monarchy past a certain point)

Yeah I feel like ruling/elite classes have always been rife with buffoons, dunces, crooks and dipshits.

Didn't know about the Estonian system, it does seem like a good solution.

https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/

social media has exposed the fact that rich people arent serious, did away with the pr and professional media intermediaries

the only problem is that many of them love it and are thriving eg elon trump

I was reading something about using blockchain as "providence" (who owns or sold a work of art and who owned it before etc) but it seemed like it was full of pitfalls.

Seems like the whol blockchain idea is "we don't need governments anymore" like anarchy or something - like the programmers will solve everything but they dont know about how the world really works they just know how software works

amazing to watch genius in real time

Fun watching these complete dumbasses reply to mostly bad ideas from random accounts for how Twitter should now change. It really does show they have no clue what they’re doing. pic.twitter.com/3UJ485rEam

— Paris Marx (@parismarx) October 31, 2022

good lord

Longtime Musk associates David Sacks and Jason Calacanis appeared in a company directory over the weekend, according to photos obtained by The Washington Post. Both had official company emails and their titles were “staff software engineer.”

hahaha

love too c0de

If there's a silver lining to this debacle it's that Musk will be allowed to fail and make a fool of himself again and again, in public, for everyone to see. Unlike most CEOs, who tend to do this stuff in private.

these people are freaks (the bad kind)

Scary monsters (and super creeps).

I read an overheated/overstuffed piece about Sacks the other day: https://newrepublic.com/article/168125/david-sacks-elon-musk-peter-thiel

not sure there's much of a thesis in there, but his politics are bad (as in Desantis donor bad) in case you were wondering

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-fired-twitter-execs-for-cause-avoid-severance-report-2022-10

this is deranged and will 100% lead to lawsuits

also, popcorn.gif at this coming up in november: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-26/musk-defends-50-billion-pay-deal-as-justified-by-tesla-s-surge i don't have a view on the outcome but hope it will lead to lols.

interesting considering theyve owned a piece since the startup days iirc

Today I am requesting the Committee on Foreign Investment — which reviews acquisitions of U.S. businesses by foreign buyers — to conduct an investigation into the national security implications of Saudi Arabia's purchase of Twitter.https://t.co/IDwnKGaxt7

— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) October 31, 2022

articles a couple weeks old but first ive heard

do ya think that maybe he did this just to read Grimes' DMs?

it's not so much that Alwaleed bin Talal owns a piece of Twitter, it's now that Elon Musk owns Twitter and not the public, ergo Alwaleed bin Talal has leverage over Elon, also elon is a right-wing conspiracist now so more likely to promote pro-SA stuff. iirc Alwaleed bin Talal increased his ownership % as part of the deal.

there was a popular theory going around a month or two ago that Elon was tweeting pro-putin and pro-xi propaganda to try and draw biden's attention to the deal so he could stop it. obviously that did not work and but chris murphy is still trying to score political points off it? the deal is done and it would be a huge clusterfuck for CFIUS to come in now and force the deal to be unwound.

that theory actually seemed kinda plausible except for the fact that Elon does not seem smart enough to pull something like that off. he's clearly very deep into far-right conspiracy bullshit, can't imagine it goes any deeper than that

this is the guy i mentioned who left twitter for a reason, and is now part of the transition brains trust

https://www.garbageday.email/p/anti-crypto-media-personality

good luck elon

Scoop w/ @sarafischer: Twitter engineers have been instructed to look at the old Vine code, with hopes that Vine could be revived by year-end. https://t.co/XL6kdZFhEw

— Dan Primack (@danprimack) October 31, 2022

bit of history re vine

Man, if you want to know anything about the essential nature of social media platforms, just check out what happened to Vine when the people on the service suddenly saw themselves as workers instead of users.

From “Kids These Days”: pic.twitter.com/zfrTzjk0Kx

— Matt Pearce 🦅 (@mattdpearce) April 5, 2019

Is convincing Musk into relaunching Vine going to be like meme people tricking Sony into re-releasing "Morbius"?

platforms are ephemeral like nightclubs but refusing to negotiate with labor is the bedrock of the capital/silicon valley marriage