A Paler Shade of White---Sasha Frere-Jones Podcast and New Yorker article Criticizing Indie Rock for Failing to Incorporate African-American Influences

does sfj not know what the word miscegenation means or is he trying to make a metaphor? is this what tremendoid was talking about? if "smells like teen spirit" is miscegenated does it mean that like the nirvana's influences had sex w/each other? (i am guessing the "funk" came via led zepplin?)

classic rock radio is often pretty damn funky (xpost)

bob mould has denied ever sleeping with grant hart

listen to the break at 2:27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdoaMPSd5OU

holy shit!

"bob mould has denied ever sleeping with grant hart"

yeah like two gay dudes who pretty much lived in a van for weeks at a time wouldn't fuck each other

rock drummers in the 70s were pretty awesome across the board...like even dudes in lame bands were pretty great by today's standards.

so which nirvana influences are tops and which are bottoms?

"teen spirit" beat is kind of a funk beat. not as funky as, like, "the crunge," but it's not an outright absurd statement. it's also the only nirvana song i can think of that has even kind of a funk beat.

my girlfriend's dad is a drummer/freelance for drum mags and one of the first things I asked him is who the heck young drummers idolize these days and I think they all listen to Dream Theater now.

just noticed this:

Keywords
Frere-Jones, Sasha;
Indie (Independent) Rock;
Miscegenation;
Blacks (African-Americans);
Rock Bands;
Hip-Hop Music

what do shop boyz think about this

oh man i just saw the freaks and geeks episode last night where lindsey's dad tells nick that neal pert sucks and procedes to play him some really out jazz w/awesome drumming. (cant remember who it was now)

I asked him is who the heck young drummers idolize these days and I think they all listen to Dream Theater now.

ug jeezus...yeah chuck will probably protest but i'd say that metal had at least as much to do with leadfoot drumming these days as indie did...lars ulrich type drum school shit.

The notes are the same as a James Brown beat or whatever, but when it's played with all the accents at full volume and riding the crash cymbal and distorted guitars all over the places it's not really funky.

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Most of the highly skilled white drummers now go into metal or maybe some indie prog/metalish bands

And honestly, some metal is pretty funky

Also Jordan OTMFM

cant remember who it was now)

Buddy Rich I think?

Most of the highly skilled white drummers now go into metal or maybe some indie prog/metalish bands

And honestly, some metal is pretty funky

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i challenge you to walk the halls of my practice space building on a tuesday night and repeat those two statements.

plus highly skilled =/ funky or good

what does ?uestlove have to say about all this?

(yeah i think you are right, thanks jordan. i'll have to check him out now.)

now I'm trying to figure out Dream Theater figure into the context of "Party Like A Rockstar," thx ILM

Neil Peart fans who've seen the F&G episode love to note that Neil Peart actually performed at the Buddy Rich Memorial Concert.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was Buddy Rich.

Most highly skilled guitarists, bassists, AND drummers now gravitate towards prog and metal. Except the ones with no sack who gravitate towards jammin'.

Yeah and he's fucking terrible at big band!!

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plus it's weird to act like the arcade fire and shins are like the fucking shags or something...they are pretty fucking slick and pro sounding to me..it's not like they can't play...and arcade fire doesn't look bored on stage do they? aren't they like super hyped up and shit? so much stuff that contradicts itself.

The notes are the same as a James Brown beat or whatever, but when it's played with all the accents at full volume and riding the crash cymbal and distorted guitars all over the places it's not really funky.

also that it keeps heavy emphasis on the 2 and 4 in a very rawk way. all of which is why it's only kind of a funk beat.

also, did you guys, like totally miss out on math rock and all the indie dudes the grew up liking Don Cab and Trans Am and everything?

i brought up math rock and indie prog about 200 posts ago, but only in a passing mention

Wasn't it Buddy Rich AND Gene Krupa, "The Monster"?

xpost ok i missed that, because yeah i'd make the argument that if anything indie and punk dudes are way MORE technically competent and chops dudes than they were in the 80s by far.

also i have the double vinyl of "interdependence" by A Minor Forest that I'd part with for $20 email me!

Buddy Rich playing on funk tunes is actually pretty sick (even though I guess he claimed not to be into backbeat music).

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I guess the album is Krupa & Rich, but that cut is only Buddy or something.

SFJ doesn't think the Arcade Fire don't have live skills, but rather that they don't bring to the stage what he wants. He says after a recent concert that "even though the music was surging in all the right places, I was weary after six songs." He then tries to pinpoint why he was weary, and concludes: "And what I really wanted to hear, after a stretch of raucous sing-alongs, was a bit of swing, some empty space, and palpable bass frequencies."

He's saying he'd be less weary if there was a bit of swing, etc. So I suspect Trans Am would have the same effect. Chops aren't the issue, boredom is, and he traces the boredom to sonic segregation in indie rock.

Christgau in Pazz and Jop last year talked about Nirvana's "inspired, if accidental, synthesis",

Not "last" year -- That year. (= 1991).

chuck will probably protest but i'd say that metal had at least as much to do with leadfoot drumming these days as indie did

Actually, I wouldn't protest this at all. But most metal feet didn't really turn leaden until the '80s, to my ears. (And there are plenty of exceptions.)

In the episode, the dad claims its Gene Krupa.

I remember him, Joe Flaherty, saying "Buddy Rich? Gene Krupa? I grew up with these guys!"

Maybe in the US, but in Britland, all the (rock) things indie was an alternative to have disappeared

It is possible that grunge and American "alternative" rock is long since gone, but for the audiences that made Britpop sell so much it became mainstream, Britpop was more of a reaction against hip-hop and dance than it was against grunge. Hip-hop still surely exists here in Europe (even in Britain) in its current form called "contemporary R&B". Dance isn't quite as huge as it was in the 90s, but is still very much around.

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btw guys

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carry on

Neil Peart actually organized the Buddy Rich memorial with Buddy's daughter, if I remember correctly.

To taint metal drummers by comparing them to Lars Ulrich is a travesty.

" I challenge you to walk the halls of my practice space building on a tuesday night and repeat those two statements."

Any time.

Maybe in the US, but in Britland, all the (rock) things indie was an alternative to have disappeared

No, I think whoever said this was OTM. Hip-hop, RnB, dance have all been squeezed big time. You might get the odd Kanye song on Radio 1, but compared to the 90s/early 00s, our popular music culture is incredibly monotonous.

To taint metal drummers by comparing them to Lars Ulrich is a travesty.

dude i'm not saying all metal drummers are bad, but there's tons of dudes that do that dead ass alice in chains stuff to this day, and bad metallica shit....to say that they are on the whole better than any other genre is just wrong....

I like Lars! I mean as a metal drummer, not as a modified funk drummer.

Gotcha Matt-I agree

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I think Lars is weak, especially compared to some to the guys from his scene (Lombardo, Bostaph, Menza).

actually alice in chains are secretly one of the most influential rock bands of all time, if you ever dig into suburban sports bar type scenes.

otm

"bob mould has denied ever sleeping with grant hart"

yeah like two gay dudes who pretty much lived in a van for weeks at a time wouldn't fuck each other

wow this is some bullshit

that's exactly why we should let grant hart in the army.