A big drop-off considering that Mystery to Me had the greatest cover in rock history!
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 1 December 2022 17:30 (one year ago) link
xxp Kirwan's guitar was also a great asset. I think that was a significant loss until Buckingham came aboard.
Christine had a pair of excellent tunes, probably the best ones too, on Heroes are Hard to Find.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 1 December 2022 17:32 (one year ago) link
xp lol yeah
i do like that in the midst of fleetwood mac's catalog there's a very serious song about the Bermuda Triangle.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 December 2022 17:42 (one year ago) link
I think of that as a photocopy of "Hypnotized" - Welch thinking, "my Castañeda song got lots of FM airplay, we need more songs that could double as episodes of In Search Of..."
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 1 December 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link
Christine drew the sleeve to Kiln House, unless Wikipedia is lying to me
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Thursday, 1 December 2022 18:59 (one year ago) link
wow! i did not know that
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:00 (one year ago) link
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0902/5612/products/fleetwood_mac_kiln_house_vinyl_inside_gatefold_grande.jpg?v=1629610717
Here's a pic of the gatefold: Cover design - Christine McVie
― peace, man, Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:05 (one year ago) link
She played some uncredited piano on it as well. In fact, she was on every regular Mac studio album except the first one and the Chicago Jam sets.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:07 (one year ago) link
That's clearly her backing vocals on Station Man too
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:08 (one year ago) link
that live over and over from 1980 is so fucking good
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:16 (one year ago) link
I've always been struck by how she introduces it in such a crestfallen way. "We haven't played anything from Tusk yet... [notable lack of audience reaction to the mention of what was then FM's white elephant] So we're going to play one for you... [silence continues]". But it's astonishing. That whole live album is excellent, even its downer moments - a Don't Stop, taken from a soundcheck, that is absolutely drained of the studio take's joie de vivre. It's like Lindsey's playing cinema verite with the album, offering a picture of where they were emotionally in 1980 as stark as the drugged-out portraits inside the gatefold.
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:22 (one year ago) link
Great description, stevie
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:27 (one year ago) link
future games is my favorite pre-buckingham/nicks album
― akm, Thursday, 1 December 2022 20:29 (one year ago) link
Relistening to the pre Buck/Nicks LPs for the first time in ages tonight, that cover of Roadrunner off Penguin bangs. I mean, maybe it's such a great song you can't fuck it up, but it is very much in the pocket.
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Thursday, 1 December 2022 20:37 (one year ago) link
xp Absolutely. I think Christine's songwriting was pretty much fully developed by the time they made Bare Trees (and even before then she had at least a couple of gems). The most audible difference is what Buckingham brought as a producer.
i agree she already had her songwriting style down, but i’ve also seen both christine and lindsey make reference to the hours they’d spend jamming and writing stuff together. so his contribution wasn’t just production. the guitar keyboard interplay on christine songs post-lindsey joining is the best
― flopson, Thursday, 1 December 2022 22:59 (one year ago) link
I just learned he played guitar on "Got a Hold On Me."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 December 2022 23:02 (one year ago) link
― flopson, Thursday, December 1, 2022 5:59 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I mentioned in the other thread (lol) how the 2017 album, he said, reminded him how in awe he was over her chops. As far as we know their bond was as two musicians, and they understood each other as far back as "World Turning."
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2022 23:33 (one year ago) link
I mean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbZZEzq94d8
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2022 23:35 (one year ago) link
Made me realize that when Stevie Nicks finally dies I will -- after the mockery has passed -- be totally devastated.
Same.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 2 December 2022 00:00 (one year ago) link
In one of the two Ken Caillat books, he mentions that Buckingham was always helpful when working on McVie songs, without any drama arising.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 2 December 2022 00:56 (one year ago) link
Listening again to Kiln House this afternoon, it sounds like she's harmonizing on "Mission Bell" too.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 2 December 2022 21:41 (one year ago) link
The live version of "Tusk" sounds a lot more dire than the studio version, even with the accordion.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 3 December 2022 02:21 (one year ago) link
I think McVie and Buckingham were creating better material
In the main, maybe, but then there are "Dreams" and (especially) "Landslide," which are peerless.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 3 December 2022 02:25 (one year ago) link
https://www.discogs.com/master/1352330-Fleetwood-Mac-The-Alternate-Tango-In-The-NightWorth hearing?
― calstars, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 20:23 (one year ago) link
This was a good listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhMmI32LKtY
― earlnash, Saturday, 4 November 2023 21:41 (five months ago) link