― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 23:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link
x-post
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 23:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 23:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link
...also, deflecting questions is Being Interviewed 101: Liz wants to talk about how her indie fans feel betrayed or she wouldn't do so. Christ, she's on a major; there are people who set up the interviews for her, and they steer interviews pretty smoothly in the directions they like.
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link
My girl's gone and she don't care at allAnd if she did -- I wouldn't care. Let's ball
Whatever U heard about me is trueI change the rules and do what I wanna do
― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:20 (eighteen years ago) link
Pictures, please.
― M. V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link
yeah but I'd be cheating 'cause I really couldn't care if Liz releases a triple-disc of trombone improvisation, my presence in this thread is strictly "wtf, people are interested in Liz Phair" with a smidgen of Prince exegesis thrown in for texture
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link
AM: yeah I suppose yr right about "Your Man" though I hear regret in it as much as anything ("I Could" being key here, as in "I'm not capable of"). but "LPWM" is not exactly what I would call loaded with self-confidence. most people I know don't go out hunting for a snarling revenge-fuck when they feel GOOD about themselves, particularly. the second stanza you quote isn't part of the main body of the song anyway, it's an add-on at the end, and it just emphasizes the bravado without actually being all that convincing, which is why it works--when you're that upset about something your pride and anger puff up and you get defensive. (like me earlier in this thread, ahem.)
(I do think it's funny that I thought "Why Can't I" was more ambiguous lyrically than it actually was--the exact opposite of what most of the people who disliked the song for being unambiguous.)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link
x-post Matos, I'm referring to these specific songs. I'm on the planet where we read each others posts in full and back up our arguments, ok?
― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:32 (eighteen years ago) link
"a specific line" like THE FUCKING TITLE OF THE SONG
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Banana is completely OTM.
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm still waiting for you to do the latter.
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 01:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 01:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 01:08 (eighteen years ago) link
And if you re-read the sentence (and the thread) its pretty clear I'm not accusing you of anything.
― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 01:40 (eighteen years ago) link
By a very slight margin, but bear in mind that it cost TONS more to make andTONS AND TONS more to promote - the return on the investment in it washer poorest yet. So far, this has been true for each album.
> It seems like she's gained new fans to make up for those crying betrayal. It > will hurt though when she realizes that these new fans are just as fickle as > the indie fans.
I think she's always "traded even" - gaining (roughly) one new fan for every oneshe's lost. But I think her ruin will be from the fact that it's been an expensive process, and therefore dangerous in careerist terms. She (and Capitol) really believed that the last record would sell millions, and they spent an inordinateamount of cash to make this happen. Barring greater success on this record,you will either see Liz abandon music (she doesn't care enough about it for tocontinue for its own sake) or totally retread.
― Dee Xtrovert (dee dee), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 02:48 (eighteen years ago) link
I hate to break up the Prince dialogue but I have to track back to a point:
"Now I'm just trying to figure out if "singles" is a term that's not understood by the general population and thus needs to be defined in a NYT article."
I don't assume the general population realizes that certain songs are specifically crafted and tailored to the MOR (with top-tier artists, often with the involvement of guest writers like Diane Warren or Desmond Child) while other album tracks are by process closer to the artist's original intent.
So yes, the NYT had a good point in operationally defining "singles."
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:17 (eighteen years ago) link