Class and race: enemies of creativity in pop?

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I always enjoy agreeing with Stevie T, especially when it means he'll go and buy me another pint. But I don't think I find class a very interesting topic in pop music. (But I do take the point of what the estimable Tracer Hand said, way upthread, about what Barthes used to call 'exnomination'.) Come to think of it, I don't find race a very interesting topic in pop music either. While I kind of agree with Stevie about 'creative tensions within a culture' blah blah, those things are not what the pop music of my dreams would be about. The pop music of my dreams would be about things like love, nostalgia, places, travel, marriage, and clambakes.

the pinefox, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The pop music of my dreams: travel and places for sure, but not the other four things Reynard suggests. Its tone would be overridingly cynical but tentatively optimistic. And it would be collaborative.

Robin Carmody, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

six years pass...

Momus, what exactly do you mean by 'race' here?

-- Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (6 years ago)

am0n, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 18:50 (sixteen years ago) link

genuinely good thread

blueski, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link

READ THIS

As you may notice, there have been some posts deleted from the end of this thread. 'paul' or whatever you answer to, stop being a cockfarmer on our nice message board. Everyone else, please try not to respond to stuff like this.

(There were a few posts deleted which sort of made points relevant to the whole thread, in an effort to relate the cockfarming back to the topic at hand. I'm sorry to remove those contributions, but thought it was best since so many surrounding posts were removed.)

-- Josh (ILM Moderator), Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (6 years ago) Bookmark Link

^^^this dude was jokes

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link

The initial post in this thread is ridiculously stupid. Artists explore issues relating to their personal lives and world; race and class happen to be big parts of that.

filthy dylan, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Would art be better if humans didn't make it?

filthy dylan, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link

The point was merely that race and class are over-used as themes or issues in UK music. Japan was not a particularly good comparison but still.

blueski, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link

this is a great thread but i think the initial q was pretty dumb

deej, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 21:28 (sixteen years ago) link

quel surprise

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 21:30 (sixteen years ago) link


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