Here's another clue for you all - GLASS ONION: A KNIVES OUT MYSTERY -- dir. Rian Johnson; Daniel Craig, Edward Norton, Kate Hudson, Dave Bautista, Janelle Monáe, etc etc

A solid holiday watch but everyone who called it cringe otm - I am always in for a bit of hating on billionaires but at times it felt like it was a bit “see? See????”

Re the post upthread where they compared Miles having friends - isn’t the whole point by this stage in their lives that he is not their friend? He’s their meal tickets, and he’s got the means to take everything away as easily as it was given too. I wouldn’t call them friends in any meaningful way.

Also, everyone in this with blue eyes except Kate Hudson looked like they were wearing really fake looking contact lenses, I blame whatever filter they used. Isn’t the smarmy awful politician Sinema? (Sorry if that was said upthread but I didn’t read all 200+ comments.)

However I really love Janelle Monaé a lot, I will forgive a lot for her. But yeah, it’s not the kind of thing I see myself ever wanting to watch or think of again.

Agree w DJP re: rewatching.

The annoying stuff is minor notes compared to the overall fun the performers are having and the structure of the thing, which I enjoyed a lot as another take on a common mystery storytelling trope, re-seeing things from the POV where all is explained. Daniel Craig is clearly enjoying this role a million more times than Bond (post-Casino Royale movies that is) and really do hope they make a few more of these. If they can crank out three MCU films per year and ten-plus Fast and the Furious flicks I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

politician could be anyone, really. I was reading her as a Gillibrand but the recent FTX hijinks colored my perception

biggest laughs i had were the brief moments of Miles's clear shitlordness - playing "Blackbird" and "Under the Bridge" on acoustic, Frank Mackey cosplay, etc.

"Blackbird" was perfect, but the chili peppers song had to be "Soul to Squeeze".

I definitely laughed at the line "The Red Hot Chili Peppers are kinda underrated!" but that joke has been used enough that it's almost become true at this point

I am really struggling to get my head around the fact that—according to the internet—Glass Onion had exactly the same budget as the first movie: $40mil

Honestly the film gets better the more I think about it. And yeah if I hadn't said it already the second watch showing how everything came together and if it hit all the beats just so was a treat. Honestly I want Johnson to do his usual thing ASAP and release a watchalong commentary here.

My own subtle bit I caught the second time through, maybe someone already mentioned this too: so the second watch was with my folks and they prefer to have subtitles on as their hearing can be rough, don't blame 'em. So when Blanc meets Helen out on the staircase after the blackout he specifically says "Helen," which I simultaneously caught in both the dialogue and the subtitles. I hadn't noticed it the first time through at all, or rather, I'm sure I did somehow but must have just shrugged it off or thought I misheard something. Anyway that surely was anything but a mistake on Johnson/the editor's part, making it a big ol' clue about something that was going to be revealed in more detail in the next few minutes anyway, but only if you were really up on the tropes in turn. And I'm sure some were! So when we get the scene again later in the film him saying "Helen" that of course makes sense fully, and avoids it being a cheat or editing trick (and they did similar with the glass switch-off).

There's a good interview with Johnson that goes into all the ways he doesn't trick you, as long as you're paying attention.

thought this was fun, funny, and don’t have an issue with the overlapping flashback structure, but i do think that the characters were thinner and much less surprising this time around.

my biggest laugh was the payoff to the sweat shop storyline haha. also thought the deadbeat friend was a great gag who kept popping up at the perfect times

I love that Derol is played by Noah Segan, who basically is Johnson's friend from way back that he keeps around.

he's in every Johnson project, iirc.

I definitely laughed at the line "The Red Hot Chili Peppers are kinda underrated!" but that joke has been used enough that it's almost become true at this point

He says specifically that Frusciante is underrated, which (while also not untrue, perhaps) is a better joke.

the rian johnson/muppets knives out shd be jfk

(BB as garrison obv, dialogue unchanged obv obv)

Ned, I absolutely caught that during the second watch, along with most of the other things in the party confrontation scene. I missed the bit with the recorder, though.

There's a good interview with Johnson that goes into all the ways he doesn't trick you, as long as you're paying attention.

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I didn't notice any of the stuff he writes about but I did suspect something was going on with Monae's character right from the beginning - the scene where she's dressed down, with a Southern accent, violently smashing the puzzle box contradicts everything we see from her the rest of the first half. I didn't think the twist would be that dramatic but I figured there was some sort of double life thing going on. Also there's the bit where the other characters are watching her asking "what is she up to?" and you can see her stumbling down the hill? So here I thought the twist was that she had some fatal illness or something.

fwiw I did really appreciate the plot's other central "twist", that Miles Bron just isn't that smart - I was really expecting some "I expected you to solve the murder mystery all along, so I could move on with my real plan!" thing and I'm really glad it didn't happen.

I figured out Miles was an idiot early on when he tells Birdie that he's playing the guitar Paul McCartney wrote "Blackbird" on. McCartney is left-handed. So either he's dumb enough to believe that, or thinks his friends are dumb enough to believe it.

tbf I thought his flippant attitude implied he was just messing around with her there, but considering what we find out about him later maybe not lol

Great movie - fun, funny, just what I was in the mood for tonight. Make 5 more please, Johnson and Craig

watching with subtitles made it very easy to notice the malapropisms, which was a fun clue

ha those drove me CRAZY, I was so outraged.

"that's not a word!!"

it predefinitely is!

The payoff for the malapropisms was so good, especially since I kept turning to my partner with this increasingly aggravated nonverbal expression of "He fucking did it again! Is none of the other characters going to acknowledge this?!"

I noticed some of those too and was pretty amused by it, figured it was just commentary on how nobody ever corrects these guys even when they say something obviously dumb

it's not relevant to the plot but one thing I was curious about was Hugh Grant as Benoit's partner/husband (?) - was it actually supposed to be Hugh Grant? I can never tell in these movies which feature numerous celebrities playing themselves.

I was also confused about the Angela Lansbury came, was she one of the people on Benoit's bathtub Zoom call?

"cameo"

you can restring a left-handed guitar and play it right-handed, or vice-versa

subtitles named him "philip" xps

on the zoom were Stephen Sondheim, Natasha Lyonne, Angela Lansbury, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

i enjoyed GO a lot but i rewatched KO after it and KO is so much better as a movie - it's better structured, has a more satisfying conclusion, there's an emotional core, and it looks a lot nicer. GO has that netflix movie thing where it looks more like a tv show than a movie. only advantage GO has is as a comedy, it definitely has more straight-up jokes and is funnier.

ty Modlös! I caught Kareem but not the others

lol Modlös

the official Hopelandic translation

you can restring a left-handed guitar and play it right-handed, or vice-versa

This movie is absolute dogshit wtf

He says specifically that Frusciante is underrated, which (while also not untrue, perhaps) is a better joke.

He does make surprisingly good electronic music these days

Well this was rollicking. An absolute salve on New Year's Day to go with my hangover. Watched it in two sittings and finished it last night.

Not got anything to bring to the table, and apologies if it's been mentioned upthread, but what was the whole thing with Helen Brand developing a taste for the Hard Kombucha and being drunk? It felt like that plotpoint had no particular reason for itself, other than to maybe alert some of the other characters to the fact she wasn't Andi?

a) it made her loose-lipped enough to call out the rest of them in the cabana

b) that experience made her cautious enough to accept Blanc's warning not to drink again in the art gallery


GO has that netflix movie thing where it looks more like a tv show than a movie.

Steve Yedlin has shot every one of Johnson's features, one of his TV episodes, and at least one of his music videos

that's great, this still looks like a tv show. i've heard that netflix has specific visual requirements for content created for them so that shows/movies look bright and crisp on home tvs, and you can tell that's the case with GO, especially compared with KO which actually has darkness and shadows in it

Well, that's the setting for you. Evil Under the Sun is little different on that front.

I didn't really get that part either. She says that she doesn't drink, and I thought it was mentioned they were 9%, so I reckon someone of her size would be feeling pretty wasted after 2 of them. Unless she literally never had alcohol I am guessing she would have figured it out before Blanc said anything. But she doesn't really act drunk, outside of that one brief scene where she's stumbling around. idk maybe thats the one knock on Monae's performance. though tbf acting convincingly drunk in a movie is pretty hard. the only movies that get it right are the ones where the actors probably ARE drunk, like in Super Troopers

Kombucha is a pretty strong taste, particularly if you don't drink, why would you assume that you're getting drunk? She's keeping a lid on everything and acting minimal and contained, and inside she's a country mouse surrounded by opulence and assholes and one of them killed her sister - there's plenty of reasons that her head would be spinning. And she does act drunk in the scene where Blanc figures out that she is ("That's hard kombucha! That's Jared Leto's hard kombucha!"), and then she slams one just before she goes in on them.

By the way I love (and it reminded me of Knives Out) that Peg takes the Kombucha off her as soon as she starts.

that's great, this still looks like a tv show. i've heard that netflix has specific visual requirements for content created for them so that shows/movies look bright and crisp on home tvs, and you can tell that's the case with GO, especially compared with KO which actually has darkness and shadows in it

looked like a movie in the cinema ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

yeah this wasn't like The Blind Side, looked plenty cinematic to me in the theatre

acting convincingly drunk in a movie is pretty hard

otm. you have to project drunkenness strongly enough that the audience can't miss it, but real drunks usually try hard not to project drunkenness

Seeing this thread for like a week on Site New Answers and not opening it until I watched it, I assumed everyone was just dunking on what a piece of shit this was like Twitter was

itt Whiney hates fun, news at 11

i think the kombucha business is also pretty nice, subtle setup for the climax, when Blanc hands her a drink and some other hints. like, immediately she knows there's a message here, because earlier he was stopping her from drinking.