Here's another clue for you all - GLASS ONION: A KNIVES OUT MYSTERY -- dir. Rian Johnson; Daniel Craig, Edward Norton, Kate Hudson, Dave Bautista, Janelle Monáe, etc etc

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I definitely laughed at the line "The Red Hot Chili Peppers are kinda underrated!" but that joke has been used enough that it's almost become true at this point

Nhex, Monday, 2 January 2023 04:19 (one year ago) link

I am really struggling to get my head around the fact that—according to the internet—Glass Onion had exactly the same budget as the first movie: $40mil

My name is Mike Cyclops. I work for (bernard snowy), Monday, 2 January 2023 19:28 (one year ago) link

Honestly the film gets better the more I think about it. And yeah if I hadn't said it already the second watch showing how everything came together and if it hit all the beats just so was a treat. Honestly I want Johnson to do his usual thing ASAP and release a watchalong commentary here.

My own subtle bit I caught the second time through, maybe someone already mentioned this too: so the second watch was with my folks and they prefer to have subtitles on as their hearing can be rough, don't blame 'em. So when Blanc meets Helen out on the staircase after the blackout he specifically says "Helen," which I simultaneously caught in both the dialogue and the subtitles. I hadn't noticed it the first time through at all, or rather, I'm sure I did somehow but must have just shrugged it off or thought I misheard something. Anyway that surely was anything but a mistake on Johnson/the editor's part, making it a big ol' clue about something that was going to be revealed in more detail in the next few minutes anyway, but only if you were really up on the tropes in turn. And I'm sure some were! So when we get the scene again later in the film him saying "Helen" that of course makes sense fully, and avoids it being a cheat or editing trick (and they did similar with the glass switch-off).

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 January 2023 19:43 (one year ago) link

There's a good interview with Johnson that goes into all the ways he doesn't trick you, as long as you're paying attention.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 2 January 2023 19:54 (one year ago) link

thought this was fun, funny, and don’t have an issue with the overlapping flashback structure, but i do think that the characters were thinner and much less surprising this time around.

my biggest laugh was the payoff to the sweat shop storyline haha. also thought the deadbeat friend was a great gag who kept popping up at the perfect times

sault bae (voodoo chili), Monday, 2 January 2023 20:14 (one year ago) link

I love that Derol is played by Noah Segan, who basically is Johnson's friend from way back that he keeps around.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 2 January 2023 22:19 (one year ago) link

he's in every Johnson project, iirc.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 January 2023 22:23 (one year ago) link

I definitely laughed at the line "The Red Hot Chili Peppers are kinda underrated!" but that joke has been used enough that it's almost become true at this point

He says specifically that Frusciante is underrated, which (while also not untrue, perhaps) is a better joke.

Chris L, Monday, 2 January 2023 22:41 (one year ago) link

the rian johnson/muppets knives out shd be jfk

(BB as garrison obv, dialogue unchanged obv obv)

mark s, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 11:00 (one year ago) link

Ned, I absolutely caught that during the second watch, along with most of the other things in the party confrontation scene. I missed the bit with the recorder, though.

castanuts (DJP), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 14:13 (one year ago) link

There's a good interview with Johnson that goes into all the ways he doesn't trick you, as long as you're paying attention.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, January 2, 2023 1:54 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I didn't notice any of the stuff he writes about but I did suspect something was going on with Monae's character right from the beginning - the scene where she's dressed down, with a Southern accent, violently smashing the puzzle box contradicts everything we see from her the rest of the first half. I didn't think the twist would be that dramatic but I figured there was some sort of double life thing going on. Also there's the bit where the other characters are watching her asking "what is she up to?" and you can see her stumbling down the hill? So here I thought the twist was that she had some fatal illness or something.

fwiw I did really appreciate the plot's other central "twist", that Miles Bron just isn't that smart - I was really expecting some "I expected you to solve the murder mystery all along, so I could move on with my real plan!" thing and I'm really glad it didn't happen.

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 14:15 (one year ago) link

I figured out Miles was an idiot early on when he tells Birdie that he's playing the guitar Paul McCartney wrote "Blackbird" on. McCartney is left-handed. So either he's dumb enough to believe that, or thinks his friends are dumb enough to believe it.

Liz D. (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link

tbf I thought his flippant attitude implied he was just messing around with her there, but considering what we find out about him later maybe not lol

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 14:57 (one year ago) link

Great movie - fun, funny, just what I was in the mood for tonight. Make 5 more please, Johnson and Craig

Vinnie, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 15:57 (one year ago) link

watching with subtitles made it very easy to notice the malapropisms, which was a fun clue

sault bae (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 16:18 (one year ago) link

ha those drove me CRAZY, I was so outraged.

sleeve, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 16:21 (one year ago) link

"that's not a word!!"

sleeve, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 16:21 (one year ago) link

it predefinitely is!

sault bae (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 16:22 (one year ago) link

The payoff for the malapropisms was so good, especially since I kept turning to my partner with this increasingly aggravated nonverbal expression of "He fucking did it again! Is none of the other characters going to acknowledge this?!"

My name is Mike Cyclops. I work for (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 17:59 (one year ago) link

I noticed some of those too and was pretty amused by it, figured it was just commentary on how nobody ever corrects these guys even when they say something obviously dumb

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 18:05 (one year ago) link

it's not relevant to the plot but one thing I was curious about was Hugh Grant as Benoit's partner/husband (?) - was it actually supposed to be Hugh Grant? I can never tell in these movies which feature numerous celebrities playing themselves.

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link

I was also confused about the Angela Lansbury came, was she one of the people on Benoit's bathtub Zoom call?

sleeve, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 18:10 (one year ago) link

"cameo"

sleeve, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 18:10 (one year ago) link

you can restring a left-handed guitar and play it right-handed, or vice-versa

na (NA), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 18:10 (one year ago) link

subtitles named him "philip" xps

sault bae (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 18:13 (one year ago) link

on the zoom were Stephen Sondheim, Natasha Lyonne, Angela Lansbury, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 18:13 (one year ago) link

i enjoyed GO a lot but i rewatched KO after it and KO is so much better as a movie - it's better structured, has a more satisfying conclusion, there's an emotional core, and it looks a lot nicer. GO has that netflix movie thing where it looks more like a tv show than a movie. only advantage GO has is as a comedy, it definitely has more straight-up jokes and is funnier.

na (NA), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 18:13 (one year ago) link

ty Modlös! I caught Kareem but not the others

sleeve, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 18:14 (one year ago) link

lol Modlös

sleeve, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 18:14 (one year ago) link

the official Hopelandic translation

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 18:16 (one year ago) link

you can restring a left-handed guitar and play it right-handed, or vice-versa

Not an acoustic, the saddle is angled the wrong way so it wouldn’t ever tune correctly. But he literally says “no, I’m kidding” seconds later anyway.

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 19:30 (one year ago) link

This movie is absolute dogshit wtf

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 20:30 (one year ago) link

He says specifically that Frusciante is underrated, which (while also not untrue, perhaps) is a better joke.

He does make surprisingly good electronic music these days

octobeard, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 21:00 (one year ago) link

Well this was rollicking. An absolute salve on New Year's Day to go with my hangover. Watched it in two sittings and finished it last night.

Not got anything to bring to the table, and apologies if it's been mentioned upthread, but what was the whole thing with Helen Brand developing a taste for the Hard Kombucha and being drunk? It felt like that plotpoint had no particular reason for itself, other than to maybe alert some of the other characters to the fact she wasn't Andi?

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 17:34 (one year ago) link

a) it made her loose-lipped enough to call out the rest of them in the cabana

b) that experience made her cautious enough to accept Blanc's warning not to drink again in the art gallery


GO has that netflix movie thing where it looks more like a tv show than a movie.

Steve Yedlin has shot every one of Johnson's features, one of his TV episodes, and at least one of his music videos

more crankable (sic), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 17:48 (one year ago) link

that's great, this still looks like a tv show. i've heard that netflix has specific visual requirements for content created for them so that shows/movies look bright and crisp on home tvs, and you can tell that's the case with GO, especially compared with KO which actually has darkness and shadows in it

na (NA), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 17:59 (one year ago) link

Well, that's the setting for you. Evil Under the Sun is little different on that front.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link

I didn't really get that part either. She says that she doesn't drink, and I thought it was mentioned they were 9%, so I reckon someone of her size would be feeling pretty wasted after 2 of them. Unless she literally never had alcohol I am guessing she would have figured it out before Blanc said anything. But she doesn't really act drunk, outside of that one brief scene where she's stumbling around. idk maybe thats the one knock on Monae's performance. though tbf acting convincingly drunk in a movie is pretty hard. the only movies that get it right are the ones where the actors probably ARE drunk, like in Super Troopers

frogbs, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 18:12 (one year ago) link

Kombucha is a pretty strong taste, particularly if you don't drink, why would you assume that you're getting drunk? She's keeping a lid on everything and acting minimal and contained, and inside she's a country mouse surrounded by opulence and assholes and one of them killed her sister - there's plenty of reasons that her head would be spinning. And she does act drunk in the scene where Blanc figures out that she is ("That's hard kombucha! That's Jared Leto's hard kombucha!"), and then she slams one just before she goes in on them.

By the way I love (and it reminded me of Knives Out) that Peg takes the Kombucha off her as soon as she starts.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 18:27 (one year ago) link

that's great, this still looks like a tv show. i've heard that netflix has specific visual requirements for content created for them so that shows/movies look bright and crisp on home tvs, and you can tell that's the case with GO, especially compared with KO which actually has darkness and shadows in it

looked like a movie in the cinema ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

more crankable (sic), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 18:49 (one year ago) link

yeah this wasn't like The Blind Side, looked plenty cinematic to me in the theatre

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 18:51 (one year ago) link

acting convincingly drunk in a movie is pretty hard

otm. you have to project drunkenness strongly enough that the audience can't miss it, but real drunks usually try hard not to project drunkenness

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 18:56 (one year ago) link

Seeing this thread for like a week on Site New Answers and not opening it until I watched it, I assumed everyone was just dunking on what a piece of shit this was like Twitter was

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 19:05 (one year ago) link

itt Whiney hates fun, news at 11

sleeve, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 19:19 (one year ago) link

i think the kombucha business is also pretty nice, subtle setup for the climax, when Blanc hands her a drink and some other hints. like, immediately she knows there's a message here, because earlier he was stopping her from drinking.

got it in the blood, the kid's a pelican (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 19:30 (one year ago) link

i think one of the reasons i got taken out of this bc i watched with my parents and they found the internet jokes incomprehensible

logan lucky a much more successful parent film

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 19:45 (one year ago) link

Whiney you’re basically a Republican now nobody cares what you think anymore

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 22:48 (one year ago) link

The Bernie Bro to Not Liking Netflix Movies pipeline

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 22:59 (one year ago) link

Well-spotted but our reference photo was actually this one:
😘 (took a lot of tries to get that weird ‘crossed eye while trying to project seriousness’ just right!) https://t.co/Q0otwAN0mT pic.twitter.com/8YhbDyGjEQ

— Edward Norton 🌻🇺🇦 (@EdwardNorton) January 4, 2023

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 5 January 2023 01:20 (one year ago) link

agree with Whiney, I thought the story was clever but wasn't memorable, and the bad production made it seem like a Saturday afternoon kid's movie. Somebody above said something about "a mad scientist in his island lair" and that was what it felt like to me

I love Janelle Monae and want her to star in better movies

Dan S, Thursday, 5 January 2023 01:55 (one year ago) link


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