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it's cool to not agree with that point! i have good friends who have created babies and i get that there's a biological compulsion that i somehow don't have hardcoded so it's a little like suggesting "just eat less." even so, can't help but feel that intentionally making an additional human right now as a planned investment in the future is a level of general optimism and self-abnegation that's beyond me.

it's cool to not agree with that point! i have good friends who have created babies and i get that there's a biological compulsion that i somehow don't have hardcoded so it's a little like suggesting "just eat less." even so, can't help but feel that intentionally making an additional human right now as a planned investment in the future is a level of general optimism and self-abnegation that's beyond me.

This is why I feel OK with eating meat and owning a car and probably not recycling as much as I could — I've already done my part for the environment by not having any kids.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 21:05 (one year ago) link

People who do not want kids definitely should not have them.

People who do not want to fly with kids had better take the bus.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 21:07 (one year ago) link

complaining about people having kids because they might bring them on a plane is of course the quiddiest of agonies and ignores the fact that the state or church might well have forced them to conceive!

I could not have a baby because I'd be afraid to spill my drink on it.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 21:21 (one year ago) link

I could not have a baby because I'd be afraid to spill my drink on it.

I probably spilled a few drinks on the kids when they were little, but nothing compared to the various fluids they spilled on me.

Also the first class argument is hilarious. If I could've afforded first class when I flew with the kids as babies I absolutely would have. Coach seats are cramped enough without having a kid on your lap. (Also my kids never cried on planes, but maybe I was just lucky.)

Mine never did, either, except maybe while landing.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 21:51 (one year ago) link

This bit makes no sense:

If it seems like the child will be a disruption to others, parents should select another section of the plane, Ms. Swann suggested.

Because the losers in other sections of the plane don't have eardrums too?

You stick the kid in that other section, then you stay where you are and enjoy the silence

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 22:35 (one year ago) link

Have a little hyperbaric chamber in the cargo hold where you put babies during the flight.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 22:40 (one year ago) link

This article is a great argument for more kids flying in first class

omar little, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 22:50 (one year ago) link

I don't want kids. I think the world is too fucked up, I wouldn't want to raise someone to live through the future that's coming.

On the other hand, I fucking love to see adults get annoyed at kids. Kids are gonna be kids and if you're in a lot of public spaces you're going to run into them from time to time. It's funny to think of the entitlement that some folks have; the idea that buying a first class ticket should mean you've purchased a baby-free zone is laughable.

ian, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 23:04 (one year ago) link

Also a lot of folks itt ignoring the elephant in the room which is that, a lot of times, women don't have a choice.

ian, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 23:05 (one year ago) link

About sitting in coach?

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 23:32 (one year ago) link

about having teh babby!!!!!!!!!!

ian, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 23:33 (one year ago) link

i need to find that NYT piece about philharmonic attendees getting pissed about people using oxygen tanks in the hall

"Let them breathe air!"

nickn, Thursday, 5 January 2023 03:41 (one year ago) link

found it
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/arts/music/unusual-sounds-at-mostly-mozart-preview-at-avery-fisher.html

This was supposed to be a short review of the free concert at Avery Fisher Hall on Saturday evening previewing the Mostly Mozart Festival, which opens officially on Tuesday. And I can tell you some of what happened there.

Louis Langrée, the festival’s music director, conducted the orchestra in a 75-minute intermissionless concert of works by Mozart (the “Nozze di Figaro” Overture and the “Linz” Symphony, both part of the Tuesday program of Mozart) and Stravinsky (the Symphony in C, to be performed later in the season). The juxtaposition was significant, since the festival this year includes a substantial helping of music by Stravinsky, whom Jane Moss, the artistic director of Lincoln Center, described in remarks from the stage as “an unusual or unpredictable ally” to Mozart.

I leave it to reviewers during the season to describe specific ways in which Stravinsky’s Neo-Classicism (actually, as much neo-Baroque as anything else) may relate to Mozart’s Classicism. And I hesitate to delve further into details of the performances, because I was thoroughly distracted throughout.

The man seated directly behind me was connected to a portable medical device, presumably an oxygen cart to aid his breathing, that emitted a steady ticking. Hard to describe, it was really more a faint, dull metallic clank in a relentless rhythm that seemed somehow resistant to all the many other rhythms emanating from the stage.

I have no idea how many people heard it: 4 or 5 immediately around, 15 or 20 in the vicinity? And I have no idea how I would have reacted if not for a worrying experience of my own last year. As it was, I found it impossible to ignore.

In February 2010 I had heart surgery to replace a congenitally faulty aortic valve with a mechanical model. Mechanical valves tick, I had been told, and since much of my professional life involves sitting in concert halls as unobtrusively as possible, this was a troubling prospect. I buttonholed the surgeon with my concerns on the morning of the operation, and he assured me — whether taking me seriously or, as I suspect, humoring me — that he would install the quietest valve he could find.

Be that as it may, in my drug-enlivened imaginings of the next few days, I heard a thudding that suggested I had swallowed a bass drum. Soon enough it became apparent that all I had swallowed was a metronome, and a reasonably quiet one at that. Today even I can hear the ticking only in a small, reverberant space or in the dead of night. No one has yet tried to shush me in a concert hall. But what if. ...

So your first, humane reaction to seeing someone in need of physical relief has to be: There but for the grace of God (and wonderful medical expertise and technology) go I. But other, possibly less humane reactions crowd in.

Classical music audiences, with their ceaseless demands for silence in their surroundings, may be seen as a pampered and intolerant lot by the hardier fans of other art forms. (And yes, I know about the rowdy aristocratic patrons at opera performances in Handel’s time.) But quiet is essential for classical music in its unamplified — that is, its classic — form, where contrast is everything. The uproar in a Mahler symphony can be huge (cough now, please, if you must), but the countervailing pianissimos and silences are equally important and often far more eloquent.

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Perhaps the most ill-timed cough I ever heard came at one of the most exquisite moments in all of Schubert, at a luminous harmonic shift in the slow movement of his posthumous B flat Sonata. (When I lamented that intrusion, I was criticized by readers suggesting that I didn’t know how bad it could be when you really had to cough during a concert. Oh, really? In a half-century of all-weather, all-health concertgoing?)

The whine of a malfunctioning hearing aid is familiar to veteran performers and concertgoers. Random noises are one thing, and bad enough; a rattled listener may be able to get back in the groove. But a steady, inescapable rhythm that is out of rhythm with everything else going on, even amid Stravinsky’s syncopations, totally compromises a meaningful experience of the music.

No one wants to deprive others of that experience. So is the discontent of a few listeners and the inability of a critic to do his job merely acceptable collateral damage for the listener who needs mechanical help?

I, of all people, have no answer. Happily, Lincoln Center does, at least in part.

“The Avery Fisher Hall staff makes every effort to accommodate patrons with medical equipment to protect the enjoyment of all members of the audience during concerts,” a spokeswoman wrote by e-mail. “If a staff member sees a patron coming into the hall with an oxygen cart or other visible medical equipment, they will alert the performance manager on duty, who will talk to the patron about whether or not the patron should be seated in a special section.”

In addition “if a patron complains to an usher at intermission, or at the end of a piece, about the noise being made by one of these devices, the usher will arrange for the person with the noisy device to be moved to another seat in a special section.”

Wallowing in the confusion bred of personal experience, I doubt that I would have complained even if there had been an intermission. But maybe next time I will, if only to spare you a lengthy explanation in place of what should be a short review.

tbf, you probably shouldn't go to a classical recital if you're gonna distract people! but you definitely shouldn't write this article.

(there was a misspelling in the books section that left me sad; but my own are so frequent nowadays that I don't wonder; but where are the copy editors?)

youn, Thursday, 5 January 2023 08:15 (one year ago) link

I like that piece on classical distractions! He owns up to his privilege, is frank, personal, funny… More music writing should be like that!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 5 January 2023 08:59 (one year ago) link

classical music culture is a fucking disgrace and I can't believe it's not dead yet

your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 5 January 2023 10:08 (one year ago) link

sir please stop breathing your life is disturbing our patrons

your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 5 January 2023 10:14 (one year ago) link

lol

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 5 January 2023 10:15 (one year ago) link

But a steady, inescapable rhythm that is out of rhythm with everything else going on, even amid Stravinsky’s syncopations, totally compromises a meaningful experience of the music.

That sounds kinda cool tbh.

jmm, Thursday, 5 January 2023 14:30 (one year ago) link

it's cosmic. the beat goes on man

classical nerds really hate the body and anything that reminds them too much of corporality (including any kind of beat or groove)

your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 5 January 2023 15:00 (one year ago) link

Coughing, breathing, medical apparatuses, what are you gonna do?

On the other hand, I will continue to complain about snack culture at cinemas until the day I die.

jmm, Thursday, 5 January 2023 15:15 (one year ago) link

Unless you're Tár. xpost

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 January 2023 15:15 (one year ago) link

or mozart I guess

your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 5 January 2023 15:34 (one year ago) link

After the club members gathered logs to form a circle, they sat and withdrew into a bubble of serenity.

Some drew in sketchbooks. Others painted with a watercolor kit. One of them closed their eyes to listen to the wind. Many read intently — the books in their satchels included Dostoevsky’s “Crime and Punishment,” Art Spiegelman’s “Maus II” and “The Consolation of Philosophy” by Boethius. The club members cite libertine writers like Hunter S. Thompson and Jack Kerouac as heroes, and they have a fondness for works condemning technology, like “Player Piano” by Kurt Vonnegut. Arthur, the bespectacled PBS aardvark, is their mascot.

Jealous tbh

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 7 January 2023 21:15 (one year ago) link

nothing wrong any of that really but the article firmly belongs in this thread

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 7 January 2023 21:49 (one year ago) link

i think i was reading thompson, vonnegut, spiegelman and dostoevsky as a teen too; stop copying off my paper

four weeks pass...

https://i.imgur.com/xDOBbI3.jpg

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 4 February 2023 14:58 (one year ago) link

sophia money-coutts

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 4 February 2023 14:59 (one year ago) link

Belongs equally well on the Great Real Names thread.

o. nate, Saturday, 4 February 2023 23:28 (one year ago) link

what the fuck is an "explorer" in 2023 I call bullshit

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 5 February 2023 05:10 (one year ago) link

Sophia Money-Counts

calstars, Sunday, 5 February 2023 14:37 (one year ago) link

This one caught my eye a couple days ago.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/05/business/david-solomon-dj-goldman-sachs.html

earlnash, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 23:36 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/26/arts/design/art-labor-child-care.html

The ad, seeking a full-time “Executive/Personal Assistant” with “a high level of discretion,” had been posted by an anonymous but high-profile “Art World Family.” It was that phrase that first caught Colucci’s eye: “I thought it might have been a child-care service,” she explained. But the ad itself combined a tone so blithe with a detailed list of tasks so unreasonable that Colucci quickly posted it to the blog she co-founded, Filthy Dreams, under the title “I Found It: The Worst Art Job Listing Ever Created.”

And what made the blog post immediately catch fire across the internet was that it was only slightly crazier than the sorts of jobs many young people — the overeducated assistants, the underemployed M.F.A.s, all the well-dressed hordes of the exploited — already put up with to get a toehold in what looks like the glamour of the art world.

For starters, the lucky candidate would expect to work “in a dynamic, unstructured environment and possess flexibility to change course at a moment’s notice.”
Among many other domestic chores, the aspiring subordinate would “serve as the central point of communication to household staff (includes chef, nannies, landscapers, dog walkers, housekeeper, contractors, and building managers),” but also be left alone with the couple’s 4-year-old. Clothes would need to be picked up from “high end” stores, and one could expect to “coordinate all cleaning, repairs, and guest stays.” Do you have a green thumb? You’ll need one: The post requires “apartment rooftop garden maintenance.”

He or she would make restaurant reservations, R.S.V.P. to events, and “create detailed travel itineraries for family to follow” for domestic or international excursions — passports to hotels to airport escorts. (Oh, and manage travel bookings for members of the artist’s studio, too.)

But the point that really stayed with Colucci was the ad’s one-sentence synopsis of the job requirements: “The ideal candidate must be dedicated to a simple goal: make life easier for the couple in every way possible.”

“It’s just a total lack of self-awareness,” she said. “So of course I saw it and I laughed, ‘cause it’s hilarious.”

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 07:53 (one year ago) link

Apparently Tom Sachs

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 23:19 (one year ago) link

Introducing the Tom Sachs Store: https://store.tomsachs.org/

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 23:32 (one year ago) link

Wait til they see who shows up for the interview

I've seen this horror movie at least twice

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 23:42 (one year ago) link

See you soon @nft_paris !@tsrocketfactory pic.twitter.com/PaooayyxA0

— Tom Sachs (@tom_sachs) February 23, 2023

can't believe this guy is into NFTs!

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 23:45 (one year ago) link

I have those Tom sacks Nikes and now I feel like a schmuck

calstars, Thursday, 2 March 2023 00:26 (one year ago) link

*Sucks

calstars, Thursday, 2 March 2023 00:27 (one year ago) link

Inside David Harbour and Lily Allen's 'Weird and Wonderful' Brooklyn Town House
The Stranger Things actor and British singer-actor created a family oasis with AD100 designer Billy Cotton and architect Ben Bischoff of MADE

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 March 2023 01:50 (one year ago) link

They could double date with Kate Nash and Ron Perlman

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 2 March 2023 02:54 (one year ago) link

I genuinely couldn't live more than a few days in a house/apartment that was furnished and decorated like that. It isn't really meant to be lived in, like every other living space that gets featured in Architectural Digest.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 2 March 2023 04:16 (one year ago) link


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