Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

Found a source - longtime road manager Victor Maymudes, who died in 2001 but left behind hours of interview tapes:

Dylan quit drinking in 1994.

“He just stopped on a dime,” Maymudes says. “He didn’t talk as much once he stopped and he didn’t laugh as loud either. It was a really big deal for him and really showed his commitment to changing his behavior. He was capable of dealing with a broader range of personalities when he was drinking and after stopping, his tolerance for certain types of behavior diminished. Bob lost a bit of self-esteem when he sobered up, became little more introverted and a little less social."

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/6-things-we-learned-from-the-new-bob-dylan-tell-all-79529/

Yeah---one thing that's tricky about stopping is, you might get a clearer view of the stuff you were trying to drink away, or around---and clearer or not, you'll notice. But overall it's worth it, I find, and re his tolerance for certain types of behavior diminished, that can def be on the plus side, if not as much fun or sometimes perversely exciting.

The drinking habits of aging musicians fascinate me.

I’m told that Los Lobos — all in their late ‘60s/early ‘70s — routinely drink musicians less than 1/3rd their age under the table.

On a darker note, in some of the new interviews I was reading with Robert Forster, it's mentioned that Grant never gave up his vices like drinking and lived like he was still in his 20s. It likely contributed to his heart attack.

His favorite drink until he died was the Long Island iced tea, which was like a jackhammer in my heart when I learned about it in Forster's memoir. This is what college guys drink to wash down Jägermeister shots (I would know).

I’m told that Los Lobos — all in their late ‘60s/early ‘70s — routinely drink musicians less than 1/3rd their age under the table.

I remember Scott Ian joking that the most dangerous words a musician could ever say were "I'll have what he's having" when seated at a table with Lemmy.

The drinking habits of aging musicians fascinate me.

I’m told that Los Lobos — all in their late ‘60s/early ‘70s — routinely drink musicians less than 1/3rd their age under the table.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, February 6, 2023 4:13 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

friend of mine used to work for a promoter who put on the summer show series that used to happen at the minnesota zoo amphitheatre, los lobos were one of the staples, they came through on a yearly basis for quite a while...anyway she said they would have to roust them out of their trailer in the early morning hours, all the crew was done tearing down the stage and loading out the gear, zoo people had cleaned up, everyone wanted to go home and they'd be in there playing poker and drinking whiskey just kicking it

His favorite drink until he died was the Long Island iced tea, which was like a jackhammer in my heart when I learned about it in Forster's memoir. This is what college guys drink to wash down Jägermeister shots (I would know).

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, February 6, 2023 4:41 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglinkp

such a gross drink, the sugar content alone will kill you

If you put everything into a cocktail, you know nothing about taste.

they would have to roust them out of their trailer in the early morning hours

I mean, there’s a real easy way to do that.

“Hey, guys? I just saw Paul Simon walk by.”

lol

my third year of college i lived a block from this bar called fowl play that had $1 long islands in pint beer glasses from 9-10pm every night, absolutely insane

jesus

was there ice at least?

Foul amirite

Amaretto sours are worse, but that's for another thread.

xpost yeah lot of ice but they'd also let people get multiples at "last call" for the special

the "fowl" play was that the sign had some kinda drunk cartoon chicken thing on it

actually two blocks from the dinkytown apartment dylan lived in, bringing it all back home

nice

There was a bar where I went to school called The Library (yuk yuk, "mom and dad I'm going to the library tonight, don't worry") that had a similar Long Island Iced Tea thing.

Woah... when Fowl Play went out of business it became.....The Library

(it's now The Kollege Klub)

From a very geeked-out Double Ees series: most shows w 0 tape; this is an exception.

Pittsburgh is the second and final tape we have of the first mini-run of Bob Dylan’s 1966 tour, before he went to Nashville to work on Blonde on Blonde. It’s by far the better of the two. Still muffled, still not up the level of the soundboards from later shows, but miles better than White Plains yesterday.

This recording also features some rare songs fo…
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Late to the party here, but I remember somebody here posting a long time ago about interviewing John Lee Hooker in the '90s and how Hooker offered a sip from the flask he'd been hitting all night. The writer accepted--noting it was the only drink they had that night--and were barely able to drive home.

Listening to the TOOM Bootleg Series and I'm starting to think Lanois fucked up a really great album. Love the spare mixes and a lot of the first versions - some almost sound like Blonde on Blonde a little, little bit.

but… stadows

Red River Shore is such a great song. It sounds like it could be an Appalachian song based on a Childe Ballad (now someone will tell me it is).

The way Mississippi (Version 1) comes fading in I imagine the band was jamming for 15 minutes on that riff before Bob stepped up.

Ken Tucker on Fragments, with good excerpts, esp. live at end:
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157481772/bob-dylans-time-out-of-mind-remains-eerie-and-vital-in-a-newly-released-version

Standing in the Doorway (Version 1) sounds like a minor track off Blonde on Blonde. The Version 1's are mostly the best versions - each subsequent version made the tracks more distinctive, but also slowed a lot of them down and, imo, sapped them of some energy.

$27 for the 5cd set on amazon us.

Holy crap, what a steal!

I am hearing that the seller there (All Time Fans right?) is extremely unreliable and prob a scam, fwiw

"The two common listings are these Dylan sets and very pricey Dick’s Picks sets. Always like insanely cheap. Never heard of anyone ever getting fulfilled. Some just straight up lost the money. I think this is another in the long line of fake listings. Never known anyone to actually get one of these"

Weird, according to Amazon:

Ships from
Amazon.com

Sold by
Amazon.com

Maybe they "price matched" the seller's listing (now gone)? Anyway, I placed an order - since Amazon is the vendor, worst-case scenario is that they cancel the order.

my order was straight up through amazon, not a third party. i don't see anything about "all time fans."

FWIW, it's now back up to $90 on Amazon. I guess we'll see if it's a mistake and Amazon cancels those orders, but it's possible they were clearing out overstock too.

It was definitely legit - people who placed them with Prime delivery are already receiving their orders.

yes, thanks TSF! a friend I tipped off just texted me a pic of his set. very happy to have it on the way.

i found out about the price drop from a "super deluxe edition" email blast.

Back at $27 again...

That's crazy. Do they have a ton of overstock or something?

holy shit, thanks for the heads up, got mine ordered

jesus, I am so pissed at how much I paid for this now. but good for all of you able to grab it!

i'd already bought a hi-res download of it. at that price though i couldn't resist getting a physical set for the booklet if nothing else.

Are you sure this is the 5-disc version that's $27? It looks like the 2-disc version.

I see the 5-disc version listed for about $27 but its a "Used - Like New" condition.

Oops - not any more. That was a couple of hours ago. Now the cheapest is over $100.

mine arrived today and is the 5cd version. ha, maybe they did get their signals crossed with the pricing of the two versions. it does look like they are out of stock on the 5cd.

yeah even if they were sitting on a ton of stock that's a drastic discount

are they hand signed? :-D

Today, Dylan has announced that Shadow Kingdom will be officially released later this year on June 2. The film will be available for download and rental, and there will be a live album that includes the arrangements of the songs that were featured on the setlist, pulled from throughout Dylan’s career.

Hear the Shadow Kingdom version of “Watching The River Flow” below.