sad
― lagβn, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 17:37 (one year ago) link
Elon being one of the single-app dummies explains a lot
I get playing dumb as a bit on twitter but the thing that irritates me is people doing "I don't know what that is" or asking for explanations of what easily-searchable entities are because they refuse to do anything other than scroll and reply
I guess that's an argument for the all-in-one apps, just make it so you can click on any word and the wiki entry pops up. Not that he's going to read that, either
― mh, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 17:37 (one year ago) link
playing dumb is also a classic boss domination tactic
― lagβn, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 17:39 (one year ago) link
oh, is it?
― mh, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 17:41 (one year ago) link
ignorance is strength
― treeship., Tuesday, 7 March 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link
yeah he's just going to stonewall this guy in litigation, I feel bad for him
β ιΎ, Tuesday, March 7, 2023 12:01 PM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
this is true.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 17:48 (one year ago) link
i had a tweet about the fact that twitter is still paging me do numbers over the weekend. lots of replies, as terrible as ever, but i also didn't see any ads.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 17:49 (one year ago) link
i had to mute that conversation everyone was faving your cute reply to me, an innocent man
― lagβn, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 18:03 (one year ago) link
yeah that was rough sorry
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link
if twitter could monetize people explaining each other's jokes in the comments they would have a winner
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 18:09 (one year ago) link
Halli is such a contrast to Elon Musk and the entire Silicon Valley model.When he sold his company to Twitter, he took the payment as wages so heβd pay much more tax to give back to Icelandβs social system. Meanwhile, Musk fights higher taxes while taking billions in subsidies. https://t.co/zpHa6uA3Pb pic.twitter.com/dlVPYYkdZE— Paris Marx (@parismarx) March 7, 2023
― lagβn, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 18:51 (one year ago) link
whooerps
wow. the guy, Halli, that Elon Musk has been mocking is not only a class act, but was literally on a list of "do not fire" VIPs because of how expensive his exit package was (likely because, if what Halli's other tweets say are true, Twitter acquired his company for a good price) https://t.co/H1skqNyiHI— Dan Seljak (@anotherglassbox) March 7, 2023
― z_tbd, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 19:55 (one year ago) link
he's not getting a penny.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 20:21 (one year ago) link
lagβn are you metal.txt?
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 20:24 (one year ago) link
no but im metal af haha
― lagβn, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 20:31 (one year ago) link
i never tweet out of character from my bot accounts i consider it a violation of the bot code
― lagβn, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 20:32 (one year ago) link
β π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 bookmarkflaglink
He'll be ok, he has a wife and children who like him.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 20:39 (one year ago) link
obThread, this guy sucks so bad
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 21:04 (one year ago) link
Elon Musk is such a deeply terrible person even as a kid when another kid hospitalized him, his dad was like fair enough the kid almost killing my son had a point pic.twitter.com/6CZR6ecaRl— Wild Geerters (@steinkobbe) March 7, 2023
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 23:14 (one year ago) link
Another very Trumpy thing about him, an absolute spoiled bully since childhood.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 23:23 (one year ago) link
BBC has a little profile on the Icelandic dude... he actually does kind of need the money, or is going to need it at some point:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64871183
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 23:36 (one year ago) link
I would like to apologize to Halli for my misunderstanding of his situation. It was based on things I was told that were untrue or, in some cases, true, but not meaningful.He is considering remaining at Twitter.— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 7, 2023
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 00:18 (one year ago) link
POV: you just got a call from your lawyer.
betting now all of the tweet responses are variants of:
"see? Elon can admit when he's wrong, because that's the kind of quality man he is"
OR
"Weak. you didn't owe him an apology CANCEL CULTURE amirite"
― hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 00:20 (one year ago) link
lmao
That messed up, why would those people lie to you— Dan Nguyen (@dancow) March 7, 2023
― hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 00:22 (one year ago) link
"based on things I was told that were untrue"
that very sentence is untrue
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 00:35 (one year ago) link
it was the pizza deliveryman
he passed on a false rumor and i only regret that i believed him
― z_tbd, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 00:37 (one year ago) link
Fuck this guy forever. Obviously nothing he does isn't gross but secretly firing and publicly mocking someone with muscular dystrophy is ghoulish even by those low standards
― hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 00:43 (one year ago) link
if you read musk's tweets in the voice of a 13 year old who is being forced to apologize they're way better.
betting now all of the tweet responses are variants of:"see? Elon can admit when he's wrong, because that's the kind of quality man he is"OR"Weak. you didn't owe him an apology CANCEL CULTURE amirite"β hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Tuesday, March 7, 2023 4:20 PM
β hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Tuesday, March 7, 2023 4:20 PM
i'm cynical enough to believe that his public responses are a show and his actual response is to establish more bot accounts to post this exact sort of response.
― .austinuos, plug forth. (Austin), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 00:45 (one year ago) link
I think experience informs us that you cannot in fact be too cynical about this guy.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 01:06 (one year ago) link
I think when his Twitter bullying of a guy with muscular dystrophy started to get reported on cnn and bbc etc is about when that half baked apology got written
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 02:06 (one year ago) link
It's kind of astounding re: the subject of this thraed how quickly I've zipped from 'you are a person whose name and face I recognize and that's about it' to 'how soon can u do us all a favor and stop being alive'
― Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 02:11 (one year ago) link
*6 hours later* he might be?
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 08:51 (one year ago) link
god he embarrassed himself so thoroughly yesterday that nobody noticed he also spent a good part of the day retweeting Tucker Carlson's idiotic Jan 6 story
― frogbs, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 14:50 (one year ago) link
Hard Drive remains on his case, previously seen ratioing him repeatedly
well you're the expert on SNL's bad days pic.twitter.com/Ysb5oJsRBK— Hard Drive (@HardDriveMag) May 30, 2022
reversing your charitable decision? for shame, Mr Musk https://t.co/lLnHSICJx9— Hard Drive (@HardDriveMag) March 8, 2023
― giant bat fucker (gyac), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 15:00 (one year ago) link
i think all this shows is that musk is maybe a little serious about trying to win advertisers back to twitter - publicly attacking a guy with muscular dystrophy who by all accounts sounds like he could play All Around Nice Guy in the next pixar movie is not going to assuage advertisers concerns with the platform.
i don't think the threat of litigation over his contract was the deterrent here, there's already hundreds of millions in comp that he's not paying to the former twitter c-suite iirc, among others.
― ιΎ, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 15:07 (one year ago) link
yeah agree it was prob more of a pr issue, it was getting coverage on tv, thats not great lol
― lagβn, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 15:09 (one year ago) link
Halli isn't another dev though. It's a different contract. Apologizing after that roasting was humiliating, so there must be more to it
xps
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 15:11 (one year ago) link
yeah, the salary seemed symbolic and not actually linked to him doing a lot of work at twitter. just the payment for buying out his company, in installments
wasn't there an episode of Silicon Valley where the dudes who were coasting as employees were just hanging on a rooftop on the corporate campus screwing around because they weren't assigned work and were running out the clock? obviously not the case here, but it's not unknown
― mh, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 15:20 (one year ago) link
wild to buy a digital shop for $100m not something you see everyday
― lagβn, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 15:23 (one year ago) link
i wasn't talking about devs, i was talking about the c-suites' golden parachutes, which he is not paying xp
― ιΎ, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 15:29 (one year ago) link
acquihire at $2m per head and a bunch of those are prob admin bizdev type people that twitter doesnt care about perhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-06/twitter-acquires-design-firm-ueno-adding-about-50-employees
― lagβn, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 15:30 (one year ago) link
If he's still actually working there (?) then I guess he's getting his monthly cash salary (although if he had to ask if he was still working there then maybe he's not even getting that).
But salaries are mostly irrelevant for senior leadership. They're <10% of their compensation. He's not getting any of the millions of dollars of accelerated vest stock he's entitled to if/when he gets fired "for cause" (ha) or leaves voluntarily.
We know this because neither has any VP+ or acquisition exec. I guess some of them might eventually. Seems unlikely. But the "uh oh elon really screwed up firing this person" stories that have come with every wave of layoffs have big "i'd like to see him wriggle his way out of this jam" energy.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 16:28 (one year ago) link
my assumption was that the novel "pay me for my company as salary" would mean he'd have an abnormally large salary unless he spread it out over a very long term, which seems goofy because it'd be odd to assume any social media company's going to exist for twenty years
so as a line item Elon would probably see he had the top salary and be like "fire this guy he costs way too much" without bothering to find out why
― mh, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 16:54 (one year ago) link
SOP is that he (and esther crawford) would have had pro forma cash salaries similar to SWEs, i.e. maybe $200k in the US, presumably much less in iceland. the real ~$Xm acquisition money would have vested as stock (or now cash at $54.20) quarterly over four years, with a rider saying "you get all of it immediately if we fire you without cause" (which is not being honored).
i don't get the impression he made much of an effort to fire people with high total comp *in particular*. these people would have gone in the first wave otherwise. they probably earn 10x what everyone else at their level earns.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 17:12 (one year ago) link
I havenβt been following the Tesla stock price since it mysteriously rallied but I see itβs now dropped from around $200 to $184 in two days? Keep it going king
― giant bat fucker (gyac), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 17:15 (one year ago) link
fwiw I'm going off this source: https://www.icelandreview.com/news/haraldur-thorleifsson-sweeps-person-of-the-year-awards/
it might have been a one-time payout as wages, not clear
― mh, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 17:16 (one year ago) link
tbf, i don't know if his contract would have had a 'for cause' out. if he was the owner of the company he sold and actively chose to take his payment as salary instead of as a payment (whether in stock or cash) I doubt they would have included a for cause out. that would not be equivalent to taking his consideration as a one-time payout with no strings attached.
where musk could have stonewalled him I think is just dragging out the process by which he sues and tries to get the money he's owed under the contract. like, if he sues in iceland and wins a judgment, musk could simply choose to not pay. i doubt twitter actually sends any money through iceland as part of normal operations, so it'd be hard to enforce in iceland. which means he'd probably have to go to the US and get a US court to recognize the judgment and then to garnish revenue from twitter's bank accounts or something. but imagine the headlines - musk is making the guy with muscular atrophy who can't go to the bathroom without assistance actually get on a plane and fly all the way to the US to appear in a courthouse to get the money he was owed under the contract. that would not be a great headline for someone who is trying to convince advertisers that twitter is not a lightning rod of controversy and is safe to advertise on!
― ιΎ, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 17:28 (one year ago) link
i would guess the vesting schedule was the normal one, even if he took it in cash rather than stock.
Normally in such large sales, the payment comes in the form of stock or other financial instruments, which categorize the sale as capital gains
this is not true in the US and UK and it would surprise my if it were true in iceland. stock compensation is taxed as ordinary income. if it wasn't then companies could save money by paying their employees in 100% stock.
anyway, musk could have picked a less sympathetic guy to get into a fight with. twitter is full of them.
is calacanis still there?
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 17:31 (one year ago) link
that appears to be the m.o. here, just fire everyone and not pay for anything and then drag things out in court to the point where the different parties will take a much smaller settlement
not sure how that applies to the rent situation where they could just get evicted, though
― mh, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 17:32 (one year ago) link