Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

I don't think it helps him either but it's true that Trump has a spell over such a wide swath of the Republican base which makes it real difficult for any consequences to happen. Like, the man could very well be elected president again next year. But if DeSantis actually manages to convert the Trump people and becomes the nominee I think what lagoon said is probably otm, once he's completely out of power nobody's gonna be loyal to him

_but does the doubtless earned cynicism not translate into adverse force against the possibility of something happening?_


Stevie if any of us had this power I doubt we’d be in this scenario.

unless it's a clown car field, you have to get *some* votes from chamber of commerce types to win a GOP nomination. 0 votes from them is not enough. and you need them to turn out to win a national election. him being charged with a felony is not good news for him, be serious.

xp ikr like you’d waste that kind of power on that sort of shite if you had it

“Oh no, one of the thirty people who still reads ilx and is eligible to vote in America saw a post calling Biden a rapist, the race is over”

um excuse me there are like a thousand lurkers it’s a legit concern

I mean, it was an idle thought, and I'm not imagining it would have a concrete effect on voters, I was considering it more as helping build a general cynicism that saps any pressure for an indictment/prosecution to happen, and in a wider sense rather than just on ILX. It is dumb, I guess.

I don't want to feed into this BS much further, but this was pretty amusing:

Trump’s increasing insistence that he wants to be handcuffed behind his back for a perp walk appears to come from various motivations, including that he wants to project defiance in the face of what he sees as an unfair prosecution and that it would galvanize his base for his 2024 presidential campaign.

But above all, people close to Trump said, he was deeply anxious that any special arrangements – like making his first court appearance by video link or skulking into the courthouse – would make him look weak or like a loser.

...

Trump ... has told various allies over the weekend that he didn’t care if someone shot him – he would become “a martyr”. He later added that if he got shot, he would probably win the presidency in 2024, the sources said.

Win/win?

New via Insider: The Manhattan 'hush-money' grand jury has been told not to come in on Wednesday, a cancellation that comes on the brink of a possible historic indictment vote of Trump, according to two law enforcement officers.

— Hugo Lowell (@hugolowell) March 22, 2023

ridiculous

Trump ... has told various allies over the weekend that he didn’t care if someone shot him – he would become “a martyr”. He later added that if he got shot, he would probably win the presidency in 2024, the sources said.

this is funny

feel free to find out, Asshole

pre-emptively removing bookmark, but there can be a ton of reasons for this that have nothing to do w/ having 'cold feet', as the article insinuates, and the prosecutors legally can't tell you why the delay, but I'm sure the internet is going to clusterfuck over the fact that Bragg didn't meet Trump's self-professed indictment deadline

what if the guy Trump shot in the middle of 5th ave. was...himself?

Trump ... has told various allies over the weekend that he didn’t care if someone shot him – he would become “a martyr”. He later added that if he got shot, he would probably win the presidency in 2024, the sources said.

Someone's been watching Bob Roberts.

hopefully it's more like Bullworth

fwiw same dude is reporting that grand jury is on standby for tomorrow, Thursday. Gotta stretch this shit out, I guess ...

Trump triggering a suicide vest when the Marshals try to take him would be fun.

xp
this world turns its back on God, we must kill to join him

Wait a minute, maybe it is happening after all!!!!

Donald Trump in witness box at #ProudBoys trial. pic.twitter.com/mXqOeHBeu2

— norm_pattis (@PattisNorm) March 22, 2023

He was indicted LIKE A DOG

MAGArf

whoever owns that dog is amazingly committed to pwning the libs at every possible opportunity

Roaning the Ribs.

i would assume jurors being told not to come in might have more to do with security fears than anything else?

wonder if this is why, this thread implies something pretty major was discovered in the classified docs thing recently

BREAKING: Potential earthquake coming in Mar-a-Lago documents case. DC Circuit sets unprecedented schedule requiring Trump counsel to submit filing by midnight TONIGHT and then DOJ to reply by 6 a.m. tomorrow morning.

Did the court see evidence of national security threats?

— Tristan Snell (@TristanSnell) March 22, 2023

The fact that the DC Circuit ordered Trump's lawyer to testify to a grand jury about the classified documents case is in itself pretty compelling evidence that something very serious was discovered. Compelling a lawyer to breach client confidentiality is extremely rare. Whatever the outcome of this, I'm thinking most of the court's records will be sealed. We plebians won't get to see the inside scoop.

The "I'd win if I got shot" thing is def Trump remembering what happened to his old pal Bolsonaro.

MORE: Mar-a-Lago bombshell may be, in part, that Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran RECORDED and transcribed conversations, possibly between himself and Donald Trump. Corcoran has been ordered to hand over transcriptions.

There is something crucial in Corcoran’s documents or testimony.

— Tristan Snell (@TristanSnell) March 22, 2023

Circuit Court ruled against Trump/attorney, attorney compelled to testify against Trump:

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3913007-appeals-court-backs-doj-forcing-trump-attorney-to-aid-documents-probe/

Can we plz have no more "major bombshell coming soon" stuff?

I will believe that something is happening when it happens. We've had, like, eight years of these "major thing ABOUT TO HAPPEN" telegraphs and the only things that ever happen are mostly shit.

Otherwise it's just an eternal krakenboner

Not relitigating the "doom" posting from yesterday, just to say that part of the problem with following this stuff is that it gets exhausting wading through every single "bombshell!", "huge news" tweet from 4,650 armchair lawyers with a blue checkmark every day. I think the fatigue of seeing these type of proclamations, dozens of times a day in some cases, has turned people pretty cynical about even the most legit newsworthy breaks.

(caught in the xpost with YMP)

Uhh...

Literally the article I just posted is the confirmation of the bombshell that was posted two posts above it.

Not sure if you were responding to me or YMP, but it's not that specific bombshell, but that we've been told about 15-20 alleged bombshells since last Friday, which makes it hard to acknowledge what might be legit new developments worth watching.

It was to Tracer

Like the original tweet posted was from last night saying "omg the District Court ordered Trump's lawyer to testify by midnight, something must have prompted them to act fast", I then posted a tweet showing that it likely meant Corcoran had tapes and transcriptions that he had to hand over, and the news just confirmed that is exactly what happened. The district court used the words "criminal scheme" to describe what Trump did and ordered him to testify against Trump and turn over all of those recordings. they believe Trump committed a crime and his attorney knowingly aided him

This isn't speculation. It happened.

Like it blows my mind that...

Tuesday: "Major bombshell coming"
Wednesday: "Confirmed, thing happened exactly as described, very serious"

Is being put in the same league as

2016: "Major info dump coming out on Friday"

Back the fuck out of this thread, I'm in a mood already

*backing

hah good thing you clarified

idk I get how exhausting this all is but it's not like there weren't bombshells every week or two during his presidency, it's just Trump is immune to all that shit

I rather prefer hopeful speculation about possible consequences of his actions to the constant stream of "nothing will come of this" and trump death fantasies itt.

Trump can still appeal the DC Circuit ruling to the SCOTUS. Knowing him, he will try. Whatever evidence of a "criminal scheme" the original judge saw before her ruling, it was developed independently of the materials and testimony being demanded by the court order. One suspects that independent evidence is fairly strong to warrant these rulings.

This special counsel knows his shit and Garland is not impeding him.

I am not necessarily saying "nothing will come of this."

Just, I'll celebrate when there are some actual consequences for this mofo. We've been hearing about potential legal peril for years. I'm not uncorking the champagne until something real happens.

may I mix a Negroni?

You may and you should.

years ago there weren't multiple active cases in criminal court against him, there was a Special Investigation that many of us (me included) put too much faith in, and impeachment proceedings that we knew wouldn't progress to conviction in the Senate, and a whole bunch of unsourced rumors.

this is tangible information about the proceedings of an actual criminal case where his own lawyer has been ordered to testify against him - something about 5 million degrees more severity than he faced while in office or since, up until this point. you may not find that important or interesting, many of us do.

as Aimless points out, he can and probably will appeal to SCOTUS, but this SCOTUS has proven they care more about issues than protecting specific individuals who aren't even in office any more, esp given their lack of desire to even hear his lawsuits regarding 'election fraud', and their refusal to overturn a lower court and block the release of his tax returns. they could rule the court overstepped. they might not. but what happened is quite literally a big deal.

(and when I say 'care more about issues', let me be VERY CLEAR that I mean "care more about advancing the extremely racist, misogynist, and deadly issues that the extreme right-wing death cult keeps sending through the court system" and not actually doing their actual jobs)

I’m waiting for confirmation from Lou mensch before I start celebrating

it's not real until JoJofromJerz sez so

Dud