legitimate grievances with elite institutions, a growing sense of mistrust and alienation, has been capitalized on by bad actors. people feel alienated from the political process and with good reason so they turn to demagogues who tell them it is the "woke" who are doing this. large banks, the federal government, legacy media institutions, and yale graduates generally should look in the mirror if they want to know why they aren't trusted. the contempt for authority we have now is not taking a coherent form -- again, bad actors are capitalizing on the sentiment -- but it's not like the new york times or whatever is just innocent and well meaning.
― treeship., Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:28 (one year ago) link
more than that, their interest is specifically class interest and specious fantasies driven by class anxiety aren't any less prevalent among relatively well-off people. plenty of bad-faith demagogues for democratic voters too, see centrist opinion columnists.
― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:38 (one year ago) link
this is absolutely not an excuse for elon, i am just saying that it isn't helpful to see dumb rubes as the source of the country's woes rather than a symptom of them
― treeship., Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:38 (one year ago) link
why not both
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:39 (one year ago) link
oh yeah i agree with you xp
― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:39 (one year ago) link
man, liberals going to bat for like the sanctity of npr or nytimes or whatever is almost more cringe than elon.
eh I don't know how much it has to do with "sanctity" of anything. Elon's not responding to any actual problems with the NYT and NPR — which are legion! — but to the bizarro world right-wing media notion of them as Soros puppets trumpeting the coming of New World Order or whatever is the lunatic flavor of the week. He's just trolling and it doesn't have anything to do with the real world, obviously, so responding to it as anything except another sign of what he's turning Twitter into is a mistake imo. I'm not bothered on behalf of the NYT or NPR, it's just another indicator of how rancid his intentions are.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:39 (one year ago) link
I saw the NPR state media label. What happened with the NYT?
― rob, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:40 (one year ago) link
They lost their blue checkmark oh noes.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:40 (one year ago) link
oh right lol
― rob, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:41 (one year ago) link
tipsy check upthread for a tweet calling the NY Times "the most robust news organization in the English speaking world" - there obv are ppl who care about the sanctity of these news orgs. conversely the poster you quote has made it clear they do NOT view Elon's action as "anything except another sign of what he's turning Twitter into".
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:42 (one year ago) link
liberals going to bat for like the sanctity of npr or nytimes or whatever is almost more cringe than elon
instead of 'liberals' how about we call them low-information leftists?
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link
because they're not leftists...but maybe we don't need to have that convo on yet another thread
― rob, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:44 (one year ago) link
Well tbh I'm not sure that's an inaccurate description of the NYT depending on how you define "robust." Maybe the BBC is comparable? Hard to think of anyone else who can compete on sheer scale, almost nobody actually tries to cover the world journalistically.
But my problem as a journalist doesn't have to do with "don't trash the NYT and NPR," it has to do with why. The things Musk hates about legacy media aren't all of the things legacy media does badly, it's the times they actually do journalism well. He hates journalism. He hates the idea that his ideas and diktats about the world (and himself) can be challenged by facts and data. I just think it's important to keep the streams separate. He's not attacking the NYT and NPR for their real-world flaws, he's attacking them as avatars of an entire approach to data and information.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link
low info leftists believe... very different things lol
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link
Well yes as I said no one is under the illusion that this is not the case, everyone itt knows what Musk is.
xpost
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:48 (one year ago) link
i'm going to bow out of this convo. i agree with everyone. but also it's the same deal of certain people not really caring where i'm coming from and wanting to be right more than anything. "the currency of otm." i'd suggest to some they might benefit from not listening to only themselves so much but that would be demonstrably foolish.
xp yes to daniel
― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:53 (one year ago) link
I mean, I've worked in and around journalism for 30 years. Pretty much my life's work! I recognize its many flaws as a practice, both historically and contemporaneously. But I still think a free press is net plus, society-wise, and attacks on the free press from people like DeSantis or Musk are dangerous no matter how flawed the specific institutions they're attacking are. They don't give one single shit about leftie criticisms of centrist media, they just hate the free press full stop.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 17:59 (one year ago) link
now doing all my social media posting in a https://wavelength.app/ group chat with just me and the ai bot.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 23:44 (one year ago) link
Ew
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 6 April 2023 00:40 (one year ago) link
jfc
Elon Musk, in a remarkable show of maturity, has removed the "w" from Twitter's logo outside their San Francisco HQ. The company now reads as "Titter" pic.twitter.com/0i914uEygX— LeGate🤠 (@williamlegate) April 6, 2023
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 April 2023 16:15 (one year ago) link
one of America's greatest minds
― Trout Fishing in America (Neanderthal), Thursday, 6 April 2023 16:24 (one year ago) link
interesting
― alright alright alright alright (Hunt3r), Thursday, 6 April 2023 16:31 (one year ago) link
no elon
― it's a new day in the international landscape (z_tbd), Thursday, 6 April 2023 16:32 (one year ago) link
For a guy who has racked up so many recent Ls, it is crazy that he is just getting rid of the only W he had— Matt McGillvray (he/him) (@MattMcGillvray) April 6, 2023
― Trout Fishing in America (Neanderthal), Thursday, 6 April 2023 16:36 (one year ago) link
You took out the W cause the W ain’t in you
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 6 April 2023 19:40 (one year ago) link
Is there any benefit to him for destroying twitter? I have never seen a CEO treat a brand so carelessly.
― treeship., Thursday, 6 April 2023 19:50 (one year ago) link
people would stop making fun of him on twitter if twitter didnt exist i guess
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 April 2023 19:51 (one year ago) link
twitter is where comedy lives
― it's a new day in the international landscape (z_tbd), Thursday, 6 April 2023 19:53 (one year ago) link
Like the way he changed the verified system is still mystifying to me. He just made it impossible to sort out real tweets from prominent accounts from imposters, rendering the site less usable.
― treeship., Thursday, 6 April 2023 19:55 (one year ago) link
Just seems like a lunatic to me.
he believes a lot of very dumb things about twitter
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 April 2023 19:57 (one year ago) link
He seems to believe in making it into a worthless asset.
― treeship., Thursday, 6 April 2023 19:58 (one year ago) link
thats certainly the result at least
― lag∞n, Thursday, 6 April 2023 19:59 (one year ago) link
I guess he thinks he is tapping into some kind of iconoclastic energy that reminds him of his early days at paypal.
― treeship., Thursday, 6 April 2023 20:05 (one year ago) link
And now that Substack has come out with its own Twitter-esque thing ("Substack Notes"), you can no longer embed tweets in Substack newsletters.
Wait till he finds out how he's spoken of here...
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 6 April 2023 20:07 (one year ago) link
Oopsy
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/06/technology/twitter-lawyer-resigns-christian-dowell.html
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 April 2023 02:02 (one year ago) link
I don't think Musk actually has or has ever had a plan for Twitter. But I also think that him degrading its value as a medium for independent news and information serves his purposes even if it's kind of by accident, or maybe instinct is a better word.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 7 April 2023 02:27 (one year ago) link
the impression i got when he did an all hands was that he held not just current leadership but the premise of twitter.com in total contempt. either that or he is literally slow-witted. those seemed like the only two possibilities.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 7 April 2023 10:13 (one year ago) link
theyre not exclusive options
― micah, Friday, 7 April 2023 12:04 (one year ago) link
how soon we forget the lessons of the lasthttps://www.salon.com/2013/12/10/ayn_rand_loving_ceo_destroys_his_empire_partner/
― mh, Friday, 7 April 2023 13:13 (one year ago) link
banning substack on twitter is lol for many reasons but my favorite is that bari weiss and matt taibi are in the top 25 most paid substack writers https://pressgazette.co.uk/newsletters/highest-earning-substacks/
― 龜, Friday, 7 April 2023 15:41 (one year ago) link
It’s been shown that the algorithm was making posts about Ukraine less visible so there’s an argument Musk is not really concerned with profitability if he can help his financiers push their agendas. He probably gets financially compensated in other ways
― I am using your worlds, Friday, 7 April 2023 16:46 (one year ago) link
We're investigating reports that Twitter embeds and authentication no longer work on Substack. We are actively trying to resolve this and will share updates as additional information becomes available.— Substack (@SubstackInc) April 6, 2023
― lag∞n, Friday, 7 April 2023 17:32 (one year ago) link
Twitter has disabled retweets on this particular tweet. Wonder why👀 https://t.co/miVW6LiIIJ pic.twitter.com/y7pMxpVoBL— Jacob Rubashkin (@JacobRubashkin) April 7, 2023
― lag∞n, Friday, 7 April 2023 17:34 (one year ago) link
Ah yes
oh god here we go pic.twitter.com/ycCKdDHh0X— kilgore trout, blue check free since 2003 (@KT_So_It_Goes) April 7, 2023
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 April 2023 22:03 (one year ago) link
I have never seen a CEO treat a brand so carelessly.
Carly Fiorina at Hewlett Packard comes to mind, but as spectacularly shitty as she was - it wasn't nearly as fast as Twitter incineration now
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 8 April 2023 02:35 (one year ago) link
Also, most shit CEOs don’t actually own the company: if they tank it they walk off with a golden handshake, they’re not pissing away billions of their own money to prove some idiotic point.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 8 April 2023 12:03 (one year ago) link
at least for me on desktop, the doge appears to be gone.
― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Saturday, 8 April 2023 12:21 (one year ago) link
the emerging western-values/free-speech coalition in action
.@elonmusk, you know that thing where the left eats its own? We mustn’t let that happen to the emerging western-values/free-speech coalition. Many of us who have backed your Twitter play and taken substantial heat for it are thrown by this move. The public square isn’t a monopoly https://t.co/qe1Gn6P6H6— Bret Weinstein (@BretWeinstein) April 7, 2023
1. Substack links were never blocked. Matt’s statement is false. 2. Substack was trying to download a massive portion of the Twitter database to bootstrap their Twitter clone, so their IP address is obviously untrusted.3. Turns out Matt is/was an employee of Substack.— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 8, 2023
Got it. Please DM so we can take this private.— Bret Weinstein (@BretWeinstein) April 8, 2023
― lag∞n, Saturday, 8 April 2023 14:31 (one year ago) link
2. Substack was trying to download a massive portion of the Twitter database to bootstrap their Twitter clone, so their IP address is obviously untrusted.
trying to figure out what he cld be talking about here, i guess substack could be scraping twitter obvs they wouldnt do it from their sites ip tho, prob just some bs tho maybe theres a kernel of truth in there, maybe they were imbedding tweets in their new product and he decided that was theft
― lag∞n, Saturday, 8 April 2023 14:39 (one year ago) link