it is not about that
― imago, Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:05 (one year ago) link
what ILX thread makes me angrier than all the others combined
― imago, Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:06 (one year ago) link
UK politics?
― sarahell, Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:09 (one year ago) link
nope!
― imago, Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:10 (one year ago) link
oh wait, that's what ilx thread makes other posters angrier _at you_
― sarahell, Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:11 (one year ago) link
blobismus! ?
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:11 (one year ago) link
I'm just sitting here waiting for the great reveal here, lj
― sarahell, Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:21 (one year ago) link
It’s-a mystery
― michel goindry (wins), Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:22 (one year ago) link
excelsior?
― oscar bravo, Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:24 (one year ago) link
https://res.cloudinary.com/bloomsbury-atlas/image/upload/w_568,c_scale/jackets/9781408181706.jpg
― contrapuntal aversion (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:26 (one year ago) link
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:31 (one year ago) link
never anything against the original poster, it's the fawning parade at basic reference-mashing that gets me. it was a cute throwaway
― imago, Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:34 (one year ago) link
That’s because it isn’t really “just a reference” it’s making a surprising connection between two things in context, which, often, constitutes humour
― michel goindry (wins), Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:35 (one year ago) link
99% of things posted on that thread aren’t funny, that one was legit. Wins otm basically
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:37 (one year ago) link
As a member of the 1% I know what I’m talking about
― michel goindry (wins), Saturday, 15 April 2023 16:38 (one year ago) link
^ otm
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Saturday, 15 April 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link
wins' subsequent work ithatt beyond reproach yes
― imago, Saturday, 15 April 2023 17:03 (one year ago) link
glooped on a DAW ya grinch
― brimstead, Monday, 17 April 2023 22:03 (one year ago) link
Shitty Person'Door to the River'c. 1960
― No, 𝘐'𝘮 Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 20:41 (one year ago) link
board would be a lot more readable if no one posted any of their hilarious “i misread ____ as ____!!!!” posts
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 29 April 2023 21:32 (one year ago) link
Peace in our time?
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Sunday, 30 April 2023 08:20 (one year ago) link
"things repeat forever and there never is a remedy"
― W E F L Y T O G E T H E R (Austin), Monday, 1 May 2023 16:17 (one year ago) link
The wobbly wheel of time
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 1 May 2023 16:55 (one year ago) link
Sonned by a white kid
― Because the Nighttoad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 3 May 2023 13:50 (one year ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESSNR26XsAEnq3P.jpg
― calzino, Friday, 5 May 2023 14:10 (one year ago) link
You’re absolutely loving that thread!
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Friday, 5 May 2023 15:06 (one year ago) link
I'm probably a sad and bad person and should feel bad, but hating on that unwholesome creep does actually cheer me up a bit! Probably not healthy behaviour, but still not as widely corrosive as bringing ugly misogynistic murder dirges into the world to be lapped up by impressionable acolytes and working on a culture war cause celebre side gig. lol, wot a twat!
― calzino, Friday, 5 May 2023 16:04 (one year ago) link
he should do a cover of Party Time
― sarahell, Friday, 5 May 2023 16:09 (one year ago) link
though i feel like that first Grinderman single was basically his version of Party Time, so it would be fun if he covered that one too
― sarahell, Friday, 5 May 2023 16:15 (one year ago) link
Cover bad news cycle with puns.
― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Friday, 5 May 2023 18:40 (one year ago) link
Priorities eh
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Saturday, 6 May 2023 21:33 (one year ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCEhPw9W0AAKl7w.jpg
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 6 May 2023 23:55 (one year ago) link
I think I'll be forever baffled by the inconsistency with which ILM chooses to bring out the knives for certain musicians' transgressions, while other transgressions are completely ignored. Which isn't to suggest there is any kind of one size fits all answer and each person gets to draw their own lines in the sand, but sometimes it's a bit surprising to see who gets completely dragged and who gets a free pass.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2023 19:18 (eleven months ago) link
Who’s not being dragged enough
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Monday, 8 May 2023 19:21 (eleven months ago) link
Morgan Wallen, imho. It's just interesting to compare and contrast the Nick Cave and Morgan Wallen threads atm. Like I don't have a horse in either fight, I'm hardly a Cave fan and thought his royal obsession is indeed stupid, but it seems weird to see him getting dragged left right and center while folks are engaging with Wallen as if he wasn't on video dropping the hard R.
Like I said, everyone can draw their own lines, just seems weird to me.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2023 19:24 (eleven months ago) link
tbf i've got no idea who Morgan Wallen is
― contrapuntal aversion (Noodle Vague), Monday, 8 May 2023 19:25 (eleven months ago) link
sorry, to phrase it less sarcastically i would say that's the main difference in the level of response
i remember i did read that thread last month, fuck that guy obv
― contrapuntal aversion (Noodle Vague), Monday, 8 May 2023 19:27 (eleven months ago) link
yeah, Nick Cave has way more name recognition
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 8 May 2023 19:32 (eleven months ago) link
Speaking only for myself, I ignore Morgan Wallen because he's a mainstream male country singer, of course he's a knuckle-walking racist asshole*. It's why I keep 99% of country music off my radar — who needs that shit in their life?
*yeah yeah, exceptions that prove the rule go right here _______________ .
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 8 May 2023 19:39 (eleven months ago) link
Join the club.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 8 May 2023 19:41 (eleven months ago) link
I guess it just comes down to me that being a flagrant, open racist is for more worthy of being ignored that being an aging dipshit that's into the royals.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2023 19:42 (eleven months ago) link
That’s why people hate morrissey so much, who they have actually heard of!
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Monday, 8 May 2023 19:44 (eleven months ago) link
if this person is so worthy of being ignored, why should I go out of my way to learn about him in order to do so? I feel like I was doing just fine ignoring him already.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 8 May 2023 20:09 (eleven months ago) link
cave and morrissey are much closer to home to anyone familiar with indie culture. from an indie POV country music is where the racists are supposed to be so there's no surprise or sense of betrayal there. a tougher issue is whether we'll keep indulging other caves and morrisseys who are still in their plausible deniability phases, I hope we won't but it seems likely given the history
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Monday, 8 May 2023 20:28 (eleven months ago) link
True but rather more prosaically the people most exercised about Nick Cave in that particular thread are from the UK, or live there, and I doubt many, of any, of them even know who Morgan Wallen is let alone whatever racist comments he's made.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 8 May 2023 20:38 (eleven months ago) link
"many, or any" that is
I live in Texas and I've never heard of him, but perhaps the scandal here is that assuming country singers are racists is a mean stereotype and he had the nerve to prove it true
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 8 May 2023 20:45 (eleven months ago) link
To respond to jon's op:
I've never demanded others to stop listening to any artist ever, not here or in published work, nor do I condemn anyone for whom an artist's racism/homophobia/transphobia/misogyny results in an I'm-done moment. I have nothing to say about Nick Cave other than his comments strike me as more venal than what Wallen has said -- and done.
In the case of Wallen, I'd heard a few leaked tracks in December '20 before the incident occurred, though I was aware of his blatant, dangerous COVID violations. They were okay in a bog standard male bro manner. I liked about a third of Dangerous and thought the rest ranged from bog standard male bro shit to hot garbage. When the racist incident occurred I wasn't surprised given what we knew about the bastard already. Given that I owned a CD copy of the album before it happened, I wasn't contributing to the gob-smacking streaming figures that made Dangerous one of the biggest albums this millennium.
I try to distinguish b/w artists whose outspoken racism/homophobia/transphobia/misogyny produces racist/homophobic/transphobic/misogynist art (i.e. Morrissey) and artists who've said the shit aloud but whose work (so far) doesn't outwardly reflect it (Wallen). I still listen to a few Smiths/Morrissey albums at home. I still blast Ghostface's Ironman and Nas' It Was Written, two albums whose reflexive homophobia offends me. If asked to write about any of these people in a critical manner, however, I'll wrestle with my ambiguity as well as I can.
I'd be more pained if a Margo Price, Amanda Shires, Brandi Carlile, or Miranda Lambert said racist shit; I've invested more in them as artists. But ftr at Pop Conference about ten days ago Lambert's probable Republicanism came up a few times and to what degree she's responsible for enabling Wallen and to what degree she has, thanks to a co-writing credit on the new album, benefited financially. By contrast Jason Isbell, whose music interests me less, did the right thing and donated his royalties from the song Wallen covered on Dangerous.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 May 2023 21:11 (eleven months ago) link
Morgan Wallen is a shit person who makes shit music - no more compelling to talk about than Ted Nugent or Kid Rock, aside from the way his continued existence undermines the concept of 'cancel culture.'
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 8 May 2023 21:23 (eleven months ago) link
today i learn about morgan wallen. guess after liking one song i can go back to being ignorant of his existence.
― ꙮ (map), Monday, 8 May 2023 21:28 (eleven months ago) link