25,000 is essentially 3% of 840,000. so we're talking about 3% of his fanbase going out and buying a protest album in the week after the video came out?
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 11 May 2023 01:48 (eleven months ago) link
He went on to become the biggest star in the genre after having a year wiped from playlisting … again I think you guys are delusional if you think artists in other genres survive something like that, and not only survive, but thrive
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 11 May 2023 04:09 (eleven months ago) link
first off all he was already the biggest star in the genre & verging on one of the biggest stars in the history of the genre before any of this happened, so there was no “went on”and your other point is just completely ludicrous. the entire first portion of eminem’s career, on a mainstream level, was defined by his use of slurs. he has merely thrived to the point of being one of the most respected and commercially successful artists in the history of rap. chris brown has been the top dog in male R&B unabated since he bloodied rihanna, assaulted numerous other women, tried to sabotage his career in myriad number of ways, doesn’t matter dude has a top 10 hit every year. kodak black stood trial for rape and then immediately released a song that became a top 10 hit, has continued to say horrible foul shit to women in public, has had even bigger hits, and was just the centerpiece guest on an album by rap’s only pulitzer prize winner. xxxtentacion… do i even need to get into this one? tay-k’s entire career was quite literally based on him killing some random innocent people and then making a song about how he was on the run from justice. the grammys just created a whole lifetime achievement award around dr. dre *this year*. you wouldn’t have to throw a rock further than 3 feet to hit a gay guy in brooklyn who will say “fuck dr. luke” and still hang on kim petras’ every move. that same point goes for just about every person i know who likes doja cat… “kiss me more” is just too much of a bop tho right? david bowie adopted fascism as an aesthetic and called hitler a rock star at the height of his fame. different time? doesn’t count? too close to the actual holocaust? your argument is full of shit dude, sorry.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 May 2023 05:11 (eleven months ago) link
XXX and Kodak basically had full media/radio blackout too
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 11 May 2023 05:30 (eleven months ago) link
that part is immaterial, honestly. is the implication that fans of artists who have done way worse shit than say a slur are less responsible for their support of said artists if there was not an institutional blackout in response to their crimes? the industry never wavered in its support of chris brown so we shouldn’t expect his fans to stop supporting him? kodak black never got dropped from rap caviar so… we shouldn’t expect his streams to drop even tho everyone knows he’s a shitty person with documented assault allegations who routinely does creepy shit to women in public? it’s a nonsensical argument
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 May 2023 05:44 (eleven months ago) link
xxxxpost His songs returned to Country radio in August 2021. So that was about 6 months.
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 11 May 2023 14:18 (eleven months ago) link
And he was taken off of Spotify featured playlists for One Week
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 11 May 2023 14:23 (eleven months ago) link
J0rdan, thank you for breaking down the album sales; I agree the bump doesn't seem as significant when viewed that way (even if you would hope that 0% of an artist's fan base would make "protest buys" in that situation).
― Did you know that there’s a tunnel under Wayne Manor (morrisp), Thursday, 11 May 2023 15:27 (eleven months ago) link
according to Billboard, 25% of his US revenue for 2021 sales and streaming came in the 9 days after the video surfaced.
― bulb after bulb, Thursday, 11 May 2023 16:09 (eleven months ago) link
The album was released 25 days before the video surfaced. I wonder what percentage of his US revenue for 2021 sales and streaming came in those 25 days?
― c u (crüt), Thursday, 11 May 2023 16:14 (eleven months ago) link
J0rdan, thank you for breaking down the album sales; I agree the bump doesn't seem as significant when viewed that way (even if you would hope that 0% of an artist's fan base would make "protest buys" in that situation).― Did you know that there’s a tunnel under Wayne Manor (morrisp), Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:27 AM (forty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Did you know that there’s a tunnel under Wayne Manor (morrisp), Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:27 AM (forty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yeah, I was tellin J0 that if someone told me the % of people that would immediately stop or start listening to an artist as a response to a controversy was 3%, I would find that stat totally believable. I still hear MJ all the time. Chappelle stays touring arenas. People without online brainworms don't have the time nor inclination to litigate this shit then translate it into an informed consumer decision
I think a lot about when Seinfeld went on Letterman and let Michael Richards do his apology and had to go IT'S NOT FUNNY! STOP LAUGHING! because the audience of New York tourists had no fucking clue what Kramer was on about
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 11 May 2023 16:22 (eleven months ago) link
xpost yes, it's not like the video came after his album had fallen off the charts. Those post-video sales were also coming off of an on-going promotional campaign.
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 11 May 2023 16:25 (eleven months ago) link
yes, and it didn't fall off the charts after those 9 days either. it spent 10 weeks at #1 on the Billboard 200 and 15 weeks on top of the country chart.
― bulb after bulb, Thursday, 11 May 2023 16:31 (eleven months ago) link
It's the longest running top ten album in history.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 May 2023 16:31 (eleven months ago) link
Beyoncé said "sp*z" and her album was immediately knocked from number one by Bad Bunny. Makes you think.
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 11 May 2023 16:42 (eleven months ago) link
Eminem did not get wiped from playlisting. Neither did xxx, neither did Kodak, and neither does Kim Petras. Chris brown is playlisted all the time. Of the younger artists mentioned, ie the ones relevant to the current cultural paradigm, their careers were at the very least *set back* by what happened. Kodak is not at the center of the genre in the way this guy is to his. Tay k’s career is in jail so I’m not sure what the point of bringing that up is.
If your point is that anti social behavior can bolster artists in other genres, no shit .. that’s exactly what I meant when I brought up drill. But it does feel like country music fans rallied around this guy in a way that reflects an anti-woke industry dynamic, in a way that has lead to him being the leading voice in the genre
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:10 (eleven months ago) link
Obviously, as I said earlier, not all of them would explain it as “anti woke” or frame it in those terms, but it’s fundamentally underlying his continued success in a way I maintain you guys are being far too dismissive about
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:12 (eleven months ago) link
i have access to luminate (formerly nielsen), the company that tabulates all data for billboard charts, bcuz of my work. here is the streaming and airplay data from the 8 weeks starting w/ dangerous being released and continuing on past the slur video. this is catalog data meaning streams for both dangerous & all his previous records
notes: the dates here are all the final day of data counting for the given week. "radio audience" is a measure based on the number of radio spins. i don't feel like digging into each's week data to look at how many spins he did, but just for reference in the first week where he had a "radio audience" of 68 million that was equal to roughly 20,000 spins. and these are "on demand" streams, US only, meaning apple, spotify, youtube, pandora etc
1/14/21 (dangerous first week)
259 million streams / 68 million radio audience
1/21/21
194 million streams / 61 million radio audience
1/28/21
172 million streams / 59 million radio audience
*tmz video is posted feb 2*
2/4/21
180 million streams / 42 million radio audience
2/11/21
171 million streams / 1.2 million radio audience
2/18/21
131 million streams / 1.1 million radio audience
2/25/21
130 million streams / 1.2 million radio audience
3/4/21
122 million streams / 1.9 million radio audience
so yes, it's true that there was a slight streaming uptick in the tracking period that encompassed the first three days (feb 2/3/4) after the video's release. but by the next tracking period the streams had dipped back down to the number from the week prior to the video, and three weeks after that he had lost 50 million streams. if you extend it out another month -- to the tracking period ending on 4/8/21 -- he did 100 million streams. his streaming numbers were in decline every week through the tracking period ending on 5/20/21, when he did 89 million streams. so his streaming numbers essentially were cut in half in the ~3 months following the slur. you see the first uptick the next week (5/28/21), where he jumps from 89 million streams to 91 million streams. this seems to coincide with his first public performance (on 5/19/21) since the slur, but it dropped down the next period, and for the period ending on 6/10/21 he was under 85 million.
for everyone's sake i'll stop here, but the data beyond just the first week shows that his streams were cut pretty severely over time. he's continued to be a massive star setting all sorts of album chart records but that's because he was already starting from the insane heights reached when he released dangerous (260 million streams).
what that first week data really shows is that when a musician is in the news because of a controversy, people are basically reminded to listen to their music. frank ocean was brought up as an example earlier. here is a post on jezebel looking at different cancelled artists & their streaming data... r kelly's streams had a spike in the week following his gayle king interview, for instance
https://jezebel.com/these-musicians-were-canceled-but-people-kept-listenin-1840150589
for reference, last week wallen did 260 million streams. so you could maybe say his audience has returned to where it was when he dropped dangerous, but these are cumulative numbers including another 36 song album, so if his audience was completely unaffected -- or had grown -- we would probably expect to see even higher numbers
and just for fun here are last week's catalog numbers (US only) for some major artists if anyone is interested
taylor swift -- 317 millionmorgan wallen -- 260 milliondrake -- 194 millionthe weeknd -- 113 million sza -- 104 millionbad bunny -- 60 million
and now i should get back to my actual job...
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:24 (eleven months ago) link
Had no idea chastising country fans was a felony
https://i.ibb.co/RDkRH8C/Screenshot-20240408-152410.jpg
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 8 April 2024 19:26 (three weeks ago) link
This guy may have a problem.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 8 April 2024 19:28 (three weeks ago) link
Apparently he threw a chair from the top of a sixth story rooftop bar down to the street below.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 8 April 2024 19:30 (three weeks ago) link
he did. the felony comes from almost hitting two cops (so I guess he has some redeeming qualities amidst the awfulness)
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 8 April 2024 19:31 (three weeks ago) link
off a six-story building ... damn, dude is fortunate he's not facing assault or manslaughter or whatever.
― alpine static, Monday, 8 April 2024 19:34 (three weeks ago) link
I feel like there should be a term for dropping things off a building onto cops
― President Keyes, Monday, 8 April 2024 19:37 (three weeks ago) link
Morgan Baller
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 8 April 2024 19:38 (three weeks ago) link
what a dope. glad no one was hurt.
― c u (crüt), Monday, 8 April 2024 19:38 (three weeks ago) link
I'm surprised the cops didn't open fire, mistaking the chair for falling acorns.
― President Keyes, Monday, 8 April 2024 19:39 (three weeks ago) link
What color was the chair?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 April 2024 19:39 (three weeks ago) link
So this was at Eric Church's bar. I wonder if it's classier than Kid Rock's bar (where Wallen was also arrested.)
― President Keyes, Monday, 8 April 2024 19:40 (three weeks ago) link
I Love This Bar (But Not This Chair) and Grill
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 April 2024 19:41 (three weeks ago) link
tbf He mistook the chair for Obama
― President Keyes, Monday, 8 April 2024 19:43 (three weeks ago) link
I'm especially glad no one was hurt/killed because I cannot think of a worse evening than blowing money in Nashville's most obnoxious tourist trap bars and then being crushed by a chair thrown by Morgan Wallen
― c u (crüt), Monday, 8 April 2024 19:48 (three weeks ago) link
that's one for the epitaph
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 8 April 2024 19:49 (three weeks ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nh-NsqBsGE
― President Keyes, Monday, 8 April 2024 19:54 (three weeks ago) link
lol
― c u (crüt), Monday, 8 April 2024 19:57 (three weeks ago) link
All the obvious signs of a dickhead with a drinking problem. Which obviously is in line with the male-country-singer canon, but throwing a chair off the roof of Eric Church's dumb bar is hardly the stuff of George Jones legend. Try harder.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 15:37 (three weeks ago) link
He could drive a riding mower off the roof of Eric Church's dumb bar.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 15:38 (three weeks ago) link
then it might land on someone
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 17:11 (three weeks ago) link
The cops could cordon off the block
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 17:27 (three weeks ago) link
Cool. I don't care if anything happens to Morgan Waffen
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 17:29 (three weeks ago) link
It would be the best thing he's ever done.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 20:42 (three weeks ago) link
Foreshadowing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOkEmhQucY
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 21:28 (three weeks ago) link