Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

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necessary for the future of the world

Can’t wait for him to put even more periods on his ending of oil and gas drilling on federal land

least said, sergio mendes (sic), Thursday, 11 May 2023 15:03 (eleven months ago) link

Trump lost in 2020 (and lost de facto in 2022) because Biden peeled away enough independents scared of Trump.

This is doubtless true but I worry that as the media embraces Trump again in a way they haven't since 2020, so he might be redeemed in some voters' eyes.

dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Thursday, 11 May 2023 15:03 (eleven months ago) link

Can’t wait for him to put even more periods on his ending of oil and gas drilling on federal land

I'm not saying it's wise to field Biden in 2024 or that he doesn't have doddery moments or even that he's a good president

dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Thursday, 11 May 2023 15:04 (eleven months ago) link

But also I'm more interested in that as a progressive critique that "LOL he's old"

dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Thursday, 11 May 2023 15:05 (eleven months ago) link

This is doubtless true but I worry that as the media embraces Trump again in a way they haven't since 2020, so he might be redeemed in some voters' eyes.

I'm pretty misanthropic but I don't believe most people have the memories of goldfish.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 11 May 2023 15:11 (eleven months ago) link

the media legitimizing Trump seemes like something that would've been a bigger probem in 2016, when people still stupidly thought there might be something behind the facade. even the "home run" town hall he did yesterday was primarily just him defending himself..."its a witch hunt", "that woman is a liar", "I did nothing wrong", etc. etc....I don't think that's exactly a winning message. you have to at least be able to pretend it's about inflation or "economic anxiety" or whatever. can't even do the freedom angle when your party is constantly in the news for trying to strip them away.

frogbs, Thursday, 11 May 2023 15:52 (eleven months ago) link

Biden beat Trump because he told him to shut up in the televised debate is how I break it down. If he remembers to do that again, he'll win again

Toploader on the road, unite and take over (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 11 May 2023 16:38 (eleven months ago) link

I believe that

mh, Thursday, 11 May 2023 16:41 (eleven months ago) link

Given how at least 60% of Trump's campaign will be about Hunter Biden, I wouldn't dismiss the idea of Joe punching Trump in a debate

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 11 May 2023 16:45 (eleven months ago) link

If Trump faces Biden in 2024, will it be the first time the same candidates have been pitted against each other four years apart?

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:02 (eleven months ago) link

Harrison vs. Cleveland

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:07 (eleven months ago) link

Bryan and McKinley rematched in 1900.

Depends on whether you count former presidents, though.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:08 (eleven months ago) link

Ike v Adlai

symsymsym, Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:10 (eleven months ago) link

Adams Vs. Jefferson

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:12 (eleven months ago) link

the civil suit's outcome will certainly be remembered by what Lindsay Graham calls 'our suburban women problem'

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:19 (eleven months ago) link

In his unguarded moments, Lindsey is quite the truth-teller.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:24 (eleven months ago) link

oh wow that made me cry

ꙮ (map), Thursday, 11 May 2023 18:18 (eleven months ago) link

Just in ... meh:

Just in: CNN's town hall with Donald Trump averaged 3.1 million total viewers. The event outrated Fox and MSNBC, as expected, but these are not 2015/16 level numbers for Trump — not even close.

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) May 11, 2023

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, 11 May 2023 19:04 (eleven months ago) link

That being said, the kids are not alright

In the key 25- to 54-year-old demo, the town hall averaged 703,000, about five times higher than CNN's typical performance at 8pm.

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, 11 May 2023 19:05 (eleven months ago) link

“Low-Ratings Donnie”

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 11 May 2023 19:24 (eleven months ago) link

24-54? that isn’t a demographic, that’s nearly three different generations, if not four lmfao

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Thursday, 11 May 2023 19:42 (eleven months ago) link

and how many of those were either pointing and laughing, or playing drinking games?

Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Thursday, 11 May 2023 19:43 (eleven months ago) link

I have no idea why they break TV demos the way they do ... I couldn't possibly have less to do with 25-year-olds' viewing habits, and vice versa.

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, 11 May 2023 19:43 (eleven months ago) link

By the way, can you imagine CNN hosting a town hall with Bernie and the audience being filled with socialists who booed Dems and Republicans alike, cheered Bernie when he attacked the media, and applauded every reference to Medicare for All and justice for the Palestinians? https://t.co/S5RuI5I41u

— Mehdi Hasan (@mehdirhasan) May 11, 2023

Sounds like compelling TV tbh?

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, 11 May 2023 19:47 (eleven months ago) link

iiuc 25-55 is the group of people who mostly no longer live with parents and have disposable income, but are not yet old enough to be worth advertising drugs to

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 11 May 2023 19:49 (eleven months ago) link

Furthermore, no idea what the major difference is between 18-49 and 25-54

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, 11 May 2023 19:53 (eleven months ago) link

The timing of this 'town hall' - months before anything campaign-related has really begun - makes me think this is just a hasty and cynical attempt by CNN to woo disgruntled FOX viewers over to their new rightist programming... for their ilk, it's like getting Taylor Swift to play a tune on your late night show

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 11 May 2023 19:58 (eleven months ago) link

Furthermore, no idea what the major difference is between 18-49 and 25-54

― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, May 11, 2023 3:53 PM bookmarkflaglink

feelings about My Chemical Romance

Qeq-hauau-ent-pehui (Neanderthal), Thursday, 11 May 2023 20:20 (eleven months ago) link

omg

Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Thursday, 11 May 2023 20:21 (eleven months ago) link

this is just a hasty and cynical attempt by CNN to woo disgruntled FOX viewers over to their new rightist programming... for their ilk, it's like getting Taylor Swift to play a tune on your late night show

He's the problem it's him

coolgnoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 May 2023 20:26 (eleven months ago) link

all you're ever gonna be is mean

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 May 2023 20:28 (eleven months ago) link

Incredible, lovely piece thanks caek. I’ll share it with my daughters.

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 11 May 2023 20:35 (eleven months ago) link

E. Jean Carroll is weighing whether to file a new defamation lawsuit against former President Donald J. Trump in the wake of his diatribe against her during a CNN town hall Wednesday night, she said in an interview. https://t.co/pKjbIAPLM1

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) May 11, 2023

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 May 2023 22:59 (eleven months ago) link

I'm hoping she does. Trump probably thinks that once he's been found guilty he's entitled to "get his money's worth", in the manner of an ejected baseball manager who spews profanity-laced invectives back at the ump on his way to the clubhouse.

henry s, Thursday, 11 May 2023 23:10 (eleven months ago) link

prob thinks it's double jeopardy

Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 11 May 2023 23:19 (eleven months ago) link

He doesn't look very presidential. pic.twitter.com/wy7zHM6Hvs

— Don Lewis (@DonLew87) May 16, 2023


He's like an alien passing himself off as human in a bad 80s sci-fi movie

dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 13:53 (eleven months ago) link

We're talking about the same state with Rick Scott as a senator, the standard for secret alien-looking politician is pretty high.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 14:34 (eleven months ago) link

what is his plan? why is he running? is he running?

Did you spot this attack from a pro-DeSantis super last week that went WAY further than almost any 2024 R's have gone?

Don't expect to see it again: @shelbytalcott scoops that it drew strong pushback within the PAC. One ally called it a "massive mistake."https://t.co/al2WI9nFxq pic.twitter.com/kBGttMOJCd

— Benjy Sarlin (@BenjySarlin) May 16, 2023

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 18:28 (eleven months ago) link

Plan B for when the big man dies. Or Secretary of Book Burning.

Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 18:41 (eleven months ago) link

I don't know about the effect on right wing media, but the much-anticipated Durham Report already seems to be fading down the headlines, a day after its release

there were no bombshells, and there was no 'total exoneration' - apparently it stated that Trump should have been investigated, but agents should've vetted their sources better - and that's about it

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 18:59 (eleven months ago) link

Deep State Durham

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 19:02 (eleven months ago) link

No MAGA will ever believe Trump is dead even if they see a skeleton

the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 19:12 (eleven months ago) link

Garrison will still draw that skeleton as virile and muscular.

henry s, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 19:13 (eleven months ago) link

only the best and most spectacular bones, just amazing really

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 19:14 (eleven months ago) link

My favorite current right-wing conspiracy theory is about the Biden whistleblowers. Supposedly there is a whistleblower, but now that mysterious whistleblower, who has not been named or identified, has vanished, possibly because the deep state covered it up, possibly because he's been murdered, along with a whole bunch of other whistleblowers. Because if they weren't disappeared, one way or the other, then why have they not appeared? Logic.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 19:26 (eleven months ago) link

Last I saw they have the whistleblower still, and he's got really good stuff, but his main witness is the one who went missing.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 19:28 (eleven months ago) link

Fucking deep state.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 19:31 (eleven months ago) link

he got vince fostered

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 19:32 (eleven months ago) link


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