I used to hang out with some American punks who genuinely thought like this and it still drives me up the wall
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 21:13 (eleven months ago) link
like make any kind of music with guitars and you'll get at least basic respect
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 21:14 (eleven months ago) link
You forgot to add "But Kraftwerk are cool, they're alright..."
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 21:24 (eleven months ago) link
acceptable not-guitar music for the mid-90s "punk" world I experienced: Wu-Tang, Aphex Twin/random IDM that was assumed to be Aphex Twin, Atari Teenage Riot, Prodigy (but not the hits)
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 21:31 (eleven months ago) link
homophobia, misogyny, and racism is where a lot of the anti-dance and anti-electronic music BS comes fromโ not much has changed since โDisco Demolition Nightโ
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 21:39 (eleven months ago) link
dance music is all just garbage isn't it, guys? just some fake noises for druggies and weirdos. not real music, no real musicians involved, am I right? guys? you need to do shitty drugs to enjoy this shitty music!!! I know we're all on the same page here, guys!! and all those bullshit different genre names, it's all just shitty fake techno music!! how dare they pretend it's different, it's all the same worthless shit!! everyone who listens to it must be a fucking idiot!!! I'm right aren't I?!?!?
โ the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length),
when were these savages born?
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 21:42 (eleven months ago) link
i thought they went extinct. critically endangered, at the very least.
i do have a friend who has punk roots and plays hardcore, he's allergic to electronic textures but not at all vocal about it. he's the only one though.
― No, ๐'๐ฎ Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 21:49 (eleven months ago) link
I am not saying anyone I know is this far gone now, nor that anyone on here is like this, but there are some underlying hints of it on a certain other thread
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:07 (eleven months ago) link
I'll confess to tuning some EDM out, if there's not some clear 'pop' hook or something.. but I'm mostly indifferent, not an active hater
Sometimes on the right patio, with the right Aperol spritz, it's the perfect thing
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:22 (eleven months ago) link
lol
― No, ๐'๐ฎ Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:26 (eleven months ago) link
Chunks of it have always been corny and/or repulsive but that's the same of every genre.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:30 (eleven months ago) link
xxp i saw that on the other thread but like, electronics were the whole of the landscape for a time, right? making music with "real" instruments felt like a total rejection of popular culture. the pendulum is swinging the other way now but i feel like we've seen both extremes
― No, ๐'๐ฎ Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:33 (eleven months ago) link
I kinda felt that way about Suicide... like they were essentially saying "you boring fucks, you're just playing chuck berry riffs!" to their punk cohort.. they were trying to remake their world as something else entirely, and it didn't involve 'rock' and 'riffs'
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:36 (eleven months ago) link
but suicide are "rock" now
― No, ๐'๐ฎ Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:39 (eleven months ago) link
that's the imbalance i see atm which is why C@AL's post was a head scratcher.
― No, ๐'๐ฎ Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:40 (eleven months ago) link
bad example but ykwim
― No, ๐'๐ฎ Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:46 (eleven months ago) link
Suicide were fairly obviously heavily influenced by 50s rock and roll though.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:50 (eleven months ago) link
... the music of Alan Vega's youth in fact.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:51 (eleven months ago) link
yeah suicide should be "rock", probably. idk about some other things that are "rock" now, though
― No, ๐'๐ฎ Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:53 (eleven months ago) link
yeah Suicide is a bad example but I was just talking about the things they rejected, not what they embraced
(There may actually be another message board out there where this can be re-litigated lol)
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:59 (eleven months ago) link
acceptable not-guitar music
Fun fact: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart could barely even play guitar
― gelatinous cubist (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 23:11 (eleven months ago) link
But he was good at tapping...dat ass
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 00:14 (eleven months ago) link
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 00:15 (eleven months ago) link
Er war Superstar
― gelatinous cubist (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 00:17 (eleven months ago) link
i understand how it feels to be bored but unless you have something to contribute please don't shit up the menswear thread thx
― ๊ฎ (map), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 00:21 (eleven months ago) link
:( we're supposed to like the way we look
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 00:25 (eleven months ago) link
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/4334a0bd1d2c9b310fb979a6b50fd72f8cc3754f/0_0_6463_3880/master/6463.jpg
― No, ๐'๐ฎ Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 00:26 (eleven months ago) link
https://www.theaudiodb.com/images/media/artist/thumb/qsuxwp1364762483.jpg
― No, ๐'๐ฎ Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 00:29 (eleven months ago) link
lol yeah the "I don't know about all those dance genres it were all fields in my day" comments on that thread are pretty eyerollworthy.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 09:31 (eleven months ago) link
that is the sort of thread that only gets traction on a laughably moribund music forum. ooh yes let us discuss electro-swing and landfill indie rather than listen to the literal zillion great things coming out every month
― imago, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 09:34 (eleven months ago) link
oh hang on, I see there's a new Spoon song, activate activate
― imago, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 09:35 (eleven months ago) link
xp - can't you find a better msg board to fuck off to?
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 11:02 (eleven months ago) link
Keep going and this really will be the full boring-bastard greyscape you desire tbh
― imago, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 11:13 (eleven months ago) link
jazz it up if you care so much
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 11:14 (eleven months ago) link
xp - please spare us the chord counting and go bore someone else with that on Reddit or whatever.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 11:15 (eleven months ago) link
what thread? lol
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 11:59 (eleven months ago) link
It's actually ok
Maligned Genres aka "I like everything except..."
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 12:35 (eleven months ago) link
chord counting isn't illegal but it's frowned upon
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 12:55 (eleven months ago) link
in reno they have guys who break your jazz hands for doing it
― รr an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 12:57 (eleven months ago) link
The Jazz Hands Mafia is in Branson, MO
― Marvel Puzzle Quest is my favorite gasm (DJP), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 12:58 (eleven months ago) link
throwing extremely blurry gang signs
― รr an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 12:59 (eleven months ago) link
Lol @ jazz hands discourse
We must protect thread integrity or else the terrorists win, or something
At times like this I try to take a breath and remember that this is a voluntary leisure activity.
Stupid goofing and inane riffing and sometimes just being wrong and silly and silly and wrong have been part of the package here since forever. (Complaining about it is also part of the mix, too.) Anyways we can all just scroll past stuff if it isn't precisely what we want to see.
― sane clown posse (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 13:08 (eleven months ago) link
Stupid goofing and inane riffing and sometimes just being wrong and silly and silly and wrong have been part of the package here since forever
nods approvingly in ~jazz~
― รr an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 13:49 (eleven months ago) link
99% of the output in any genre is shitty, including the ilxposting genre
― the late great, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:07 (eleven months ago) link
This has been pointed out in the past and I am certainly culpable: sometimes posts are like a kid coming downstairs and awkwardly trying to join the adult conversation at the party.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:04 (eleven months ago) link
It's just posting, some conversation and thinking out stuff together. It's pretty good at times given its free and nobody owes anyone anything.
What I don't need is someone getting exasperated at the group. It might be ok if I respect their posts, but when your posts are terrible it's worse.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 16:08 (eleven months ago) link
โ the late great
a surprising percentage of shitposts fail to be sufficiently shit
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 18 May 2023 15:16 (eleven months ago) link
it may be hard to accept but the early 2010s was 10+ years ago
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 18 May 2023 15:59 (eleven months ago) link
having second thoughts about them?
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 May 2023 15:59 (eleven months ago) link
really glad that my fave hip genres didn't get listed as poll options so that i don't have to be annoyed by people who don't know much about them talking shit ... or just ... being made aware that people don't share my superior aesthetic lol
― sarahell, Thursday, 18 May 2023 17:59 (eleven months ago) link