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The interment/internment thing reminds me that sometime in my 20s I noticed that somebody had spelled "raspberries" with a p between the s and b and thought "huh, what a weird error" only to soon realize that everybody was making this error except me.

As usual, I'm going to use my "English is not my first language" excuse here.

silverfish, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 14:34 (eleven months ago) link

Internment in a grave: Poe to thread

michel goindry (wins), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 14:39 (eleven months ago) link

I love these sorts of misunderstandings, like how loads of people think it’s “elegaic”

michel goindry (wins), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 14:42 (eleven months ago) link

or 'for all intensive purposes'

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 16:26 (eleven months ago) link

oh god

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 16:27 (eleven months ago) link

what does intensive even mean that intense doesn't

ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 16:28 (eleven months ago) link

i think it’s “as opposed to extensive” ie over a small area.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 18:35 (eleven months ago) link

the entire state of Florida is further west than the nation Colombia

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 22:17 (eleven months ago) link

"Intense care" sounds wrong, maybe just because we're used to "intensive care."

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 23 May 2023 22:18 (eleven months ago) link

To go full patrician mode for a moment, Fowler's Modern English Usage has this:

Intensive.

Just as definitive & alternative are ignorantly confused with definite & alternate, & apparently liked the better for their mere length, so intensive is becoming a fashionable word where the meaning wanted is simply intense. It must be admitted that there was a time before differentiation had taken place when Burton, e.g., could write A very intensive pleasure follows the passion (lol); it there means intense, but the OED labels the use obsolete, & its latest quotation for it is from over two centuries ago; the modern relapse had not come under its notice in 1901, when it issued letter I. Intensive perished as a mere variant of intense, but remained with a philosophic or scientific meaning, as an antithesis to extensive ; where extensive means with regard to extent, intensive means with regard to force or degree:

The record of an intensive as well as extensive development. /Its intensive, like its extensive, magnitude is small.

This is the kind of word that we ordinary mortals do well to leave alone ; see POPULARISED TECHNICALITIES.

Unfortunately, a particular technical application of the philosophic use emerged into general notice, & was misinterpreted — intensive method especially of cultivation. To increase the supply of wheat you may sow two acres instead of one — increase the extent — , or you may use more fertilizers & care on your one acre — increase the intensity — ; the second plan is intensive cultivation, the essence of it being concentration on a limited area. Familiarized by the newspapers with intensive cultivation, which most of us took to be a fine name for very hard or intense work by the farmers, we all became eager to show off our new word, & took to saying intensive where intense used to be good enough for us.

The war gave this a great fillip by finding the correspondents another peg to hang intensive on — bombardment. There is a kind of bombardment that may be accurately called intensive ; it is what in earlier wars we called concentrated fire, a phrase that has the advantage of being open to no misunderstanding ; the fire converges upon a much narrower front than that from which it is discharged ; but as often as not the intensive bombardment of the newspapers was not concentrated, but was intense, as the context would sometimes prove ; a bombardment may be intense without being intensive, or intensive without being intense, or it may be both.

I don't think this really covers intensive care tbh, though it looks like that only arrived as a phrase in the '60s.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 09:49 (eleven months ago) link

i scoff condescendingly at those who write, like apes, of "all intensive purposes" but what about those of us who use the actual, correct, expression? it's also bad

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 09:56 (eleven months ago) link

it's dead, isn't it, and usually misleading. 'it is, to all intents and purposes, the same thing' is one of those phrases that means 'not'.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 10:01 (eleven months ago) link

intensive care means the medics have stuck you in a small room full of machines by yrself (it's bad but may turn out well)
intense care means yr nurse is kathy bates in misery (it's bad and will turn out worse)

mark s, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 10:02 (eleven months ago) link

am I right in thinking that at the height of covid if you were sent to hospital, and they were feeling the rush, you might get stuck in an external ward and get your care intent-sively?

Stevo, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 10:32 (eleven months ago) link

Puts one in mind of the venerable joke about how there was a fire in a Boy Scout camp, the heat was in tents, yuk yuk.

Landfill Collins (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 11:26 (eleven months ago) link

I still want to hear about Hideous Lump’s face scanning time card machine!

Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 13:38 (eleven months ago) link

xp I've always heard it as "for all intents and purposes," not "to all intents and purposes." That may be a U.S./U.K. difference.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 14:19 (eleven months ago) link

And I've always thought it meant "not exactly, but close enough."

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 14:20 (eleven months ago) link

fits most criteria without being the specific part like

Stevo, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 14:30 (eleven months ago) link

We had a face scanning time card thingy at the museum I worked at. We each had an ID card. When we clocked in/out we would hold the card up to the scanner to register the time and then it would take a pic of our face. A coworker who was indigenous and highly political and distrustful of tech kept a pic of Sitting Bull in his wallet and would hold this up in front of the camera for his picture.

The point of it is to be able to go back and review if something seems fishy. Person A clocked in but they didn’t actually work that day, so who clocked in for them?

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 14:30 (eleven months ago) link

Scan the ID card! Seems less expensive and less intrusive than a camera.

pplains, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 14:38 (eleven months ago) link

Hell, I'm not trying to encourage this kind of behavior, but put cameras on the entrance/exit. You can see folks come and go while treating it like a security camera.

pplains, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 14:39 (eleven months ago) link

> Scan the ID card

but id cards are transferable. what's to stop me clocking in my mate using his card?

koogs, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 14:45 (eleven months ago) link

A coworker shared a story of a contractor who thought carrying an id badge to get into the building was too onerous, so he duped the RFID tag into a chip he implanted into his hand

Seems like a bit much, but to compound that lunacy, the same guy wrote an anti-corporate manifesto and quit after his second week when he was told he couldn't vape at his desk

I'm told he made some good points in said manifesto, but ragequitting over vaping was what people remember

mh, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 14:52 (eleven months ago) link

He couldn't just do it in the bathroom like the rest of us?

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 15:08 (eleven months ago) link

pretty sure someone would notice since there aren't any single-person restrooms but idk

I think it was the principle of the thing, being told not to do it

mh, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 15:27 (eleven months ago) link

Oh I'm sure it was; I was just kidding.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 15:50 (eleven months ago) link

Meow-Ludo Disco Gamma Meow-Meow had his conviction for implanting his train ticket chip into his hand overturned, mh's brief coworker just loves quitting obv

least said, sergio mendes (sic), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 16:01 (eleven months ago) link

I was thinking back to the first couple years that mass-market nicotine vapes were becoming commonplace and work had to keep mass emailing the building to tell people to stop vaping in the stairway

mh, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 16:01 (eleven months ago) link

That the dude behind Dave's Killer Bread (he sold the company in 2015) was a goddamn maniac and multiple felon. (The bread is excellent.)

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 25 May 2023 04:29 (eleven months ago) link

By geological definition glacial ice is actually rock, made up of the crystal ice compressed with some other stuff. By this definition, the liquid form of the crystal’s compound, which is called water, is actually molten ice crystals, and therefore actually lava.

10 y/o Hunt3r would have enjoyed this piece of work soooo much, shame I just found it.

Laurie Anderson’s Singing Bowl Migraine Orchestra (Hunt3r), Friday, 26 May 2023 01:15 (eleven months ago) link

xp Can Dave Dahl actually shred on guitar or do I need to switch to another bread?

Josefa, Friday, 26 May 2023 02:02 (eleven months ago) link

I would pay to see a tasty blues lick duel between Dave Dahl and Steven Segal.

Terrycoth Baphomet (bendy), Friday, 26 May 2023 15:23 (eleven months ago) link

Killer Dave's Bread?

Stevo, Friday, 26 May 2023 15:46 (eleven months ago) link

That the Sinatra song "New York, New York" dates from the late 70s rather than the 40s or 50s, and is from a Scorsese film I've barely heard of. Also really more of a Liza Minelli song.

in this thread we note superfluous uses of the word 'literally' (Matt #2), Sunday, 28 May 2023 04:45 (eleven months ago) link

The fact that "New York, New York" and the high five are both only two years older than I am always seems weird to me.

jaymc, Sunday, 28 May 2023 05:29 (eleven months ago) link

"New York, New York" was written to sound llke a 1940s song bc that's what it is in the context of the movie

Josefa, Sunday, 28 May 2023 13:43 (eleven months ago) link

"Anarchy in the UK" is an older song.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 May 2023 13:54 (eleven months ago) link

It is interesting that no one thought of the high five before that point in time. And also that the low five then disappeared so quickly and completely.

Josefa, Sunday, 28 May 2023 14:00 (eleven months ago) link

it hasn't disappeared, you're just too slow

least said, sergio mendes (sic), Sunday, 28 May 2023 17:48 (eleven months ago) link

lol

kinder, Sunday, 28 May 2023 17:50 (eleven months ago) link

Bread boxes.... really work

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 4 June 2023 15:17 (ten months ago) link

Basically this entire Wiki page but Nottingham Forest being formed by shinty players will do for now.

https://shinty.com/english-shinty-association/

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Sunday, 4 June 2023 21:20 (ten months ago) link

Would have said Lassie was a 'good boy' until I stopped to think why Lassie was called Lassie the other day. I've never knowingly watched or read any Lassie cultural productions but it feels either densely inattentive to the parodies I've surely seen or unpleasantly patriarchal ('the star must be male')

woof, Monday, 12 June 2023 15:28 (ten months ago) link

important lassie fact: her trainer's name was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudd_Weatherwax

mark s, Monday, 12 June 2023 16:01 (ten months ago) link

Oh hang on

Pal (June 4, 1940 – June 18, 1958) was a male Rough Collie performer and the first in a line of such dogs to portray the fictional female collie Lassie in film, on radio, and on television

woof, Monday, 12 June 2023 16:42 (ten months ago) link

Goddamn liberal Hollywood perverts, making a male dog play Lassie to serve their woke trans agenda...

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 12 June 2023 17:12 (ten months ago) link

I used to watch the old TV show in reruns. I am pretty sure Lassie was always described as "she."

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 12 June 2023 17:14 (ten months ago) link

It would be weird if she wasn't.

Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Monday, 12 June 2023 17:17 (ten months ago) link

I learned recently that When jewish folks do their bar/bat they read from a page that coordinates with their birthdate, which means that on any given day thousands of kids worldwide are reading the same page, and the page might not be terribly interesting!! Wild!!!


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