Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

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Shadow Kingdom soundtrack out on CD and LP, movie can be bought or rented, though only on Apple now (forever?). This links to trailer and video (but only for "Forever Young"): https://view.fans.legacyrecordings.com/?qs=7daa208fd0e6dd5a4dca1ddf515fe364d371434feaad8070f09281bc9e6ddb1401f58e4f64e34c2fd3a1ef7c8158d9cc05284bc602f996d4d185b6f49fad84a5b10246fabb2205ab2f6d7a4c586f2f00

dow, Monday, 5 June 2023 17:44 (eleven months ago) link

I suspect it's better with the visuals---true?

dow, Monday, 5 June 2023 17:46 (eleven months ago) link

Some of the re-imaginings on the set work better than others, but Dylan is in astonishingly fine voice here, and when it works, it is stunning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whlhEPT2wrc

Davey D, Monday, 5 June 2023 18:25 (eleven months ago) link

Howard writes that Lanois is generally a tense and uptight guy (even when he’s not throwing things), which doesn’t put artists at ease… odd temperament for a producer.

this is not even remotely an odd temperament for a producer

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 5 June 2023 20:34 (eleven months ago) link

xpost "Forever Young" off Shadow Kingdom is so beautiful

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 June 2023 20:49 (eleven months ago) link

Dylan is in astonishingly fine voice here

wow you weren't fuckin kidding, this is stunning stuff

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 5 June 2023 20:58 (eleven months ago) link

I particularly dig the instrumental at the end... (this is not meant as a slight, btw)

Day 1 fan (morrisp), Monday, 5 June 2023 21:40 (eleven months ago) link

I haven't gone back to his Sinatra albums much, but his singing here reminds me of those; there's an intimacy and command of the material that's different from his past rearrangements, as if it's been so long since he wrote these songs that he can now perform them as standards

Brad C., Monday, 5 June 2023 22:29 (eleven months ago) link

Wow, QJA is so sweet and elegiac, the original such a scalpel.

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 00:31 (ten months ago) link

A little too tasteful for me (like most of post TOOM-Dylan; I'm a weird outlier)

gucci meme (theStalePrince), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 01:55 (ten months ago) link

It's a little jarring to consider that the 34-year-old "What Was It You Wanted" is indeed part of Dylan's early years from a 2023 perspective.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 17:38 (ten months ago) link

If you split the span in half, World Gone Wrong is the end of the early years. Which makes sense really - that and GAIBTY are a kind of ground zero for the later period. Back to basics, one guy in a garage with his guitar and the old folksongs.

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 23:17 (ten months ago) link

Are there a bigger batch of songs that tgise albums were culled from? You Belong To Me from the Natural Born Killers strck was from those sessions if I remember right.

I got that CD in high school before I was very aware of Dylan. It was an early experience of enjoying a performance with WTF singing.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 00:08 (ten months ago) link

My understanding was that it was pretty much home recordings with Dylan producing himself - there was a period when those two albums and The Bootleg Series Vol 1-3 came out and it was kind of a reckoning with his past and turning to the roots for renewal. I think maybe the performance epiphany he talks about having in Switzerland in Chronicles Vol 1 was around the same time. The "before" period ended with Oh Mercy and the after period began with Time Out of Mind which seems like a real shift to me - same producer but very different vibe.

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 01:27 (ten months ago) link

I love those albums and want more of that

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 02:47 (ten months ago) link

Fragmemtsis from the TOOM sessions, seems like it would be worth a listen.

dow, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 03:22 (ten months ago) link

They sure are good. I guess the closest I know of are the early live performances of his where he mines similar repertoire, but obviously not with his 50 year old voice. Also the Traveling Wilburys albums from around that time (not really comparable), the NYC Supper Club shows from 1993 (no major official release) and MTV Unplugged is worth a visit.

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 03:24 (ten months ago) link

First listen to the only stream I could find, on free Spotify (commercials didn't break the vibe): some of these will have to grow on me, but "Queen Jane" actually gets me to thinking more about Jane and her situation than Dyl; this arrangement of "I'll Be Your Baby Tonight" kills, ditto the re-write of "To Be Alone With You," "What was it you thought you saw...?"---perfect lead in to "What Was It You Wanted" (not really a question), "Watching The River Flow: "People disappearin' every day," yeah, tell me about it; was that in the original? "Pledging My Time" slyly otm, "Wicked Messenger" now sporting some cruelly jaunty accompaniment, as in Charley Crockett's cover of "Tom Turkey (Alternative Version)": "Billy you're so far away from home" and all (wicked Spotify serves this up as a chaser to SK).

dow, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 22:36 (ten months ago) link

xpost Somebody should do a book about Dylan's 80s trek, or have they?

dow, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 22:39 (ten months ago) link

I thought that a book which solely focuses on INFIDELS is on the horizon

beamish13, Thursday, 8 June 2023 02:11 (ten months ago) link

two months pass...

They just dropped a "Man In Me" from Budokan in advance of presumably the newest set.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 7 September 2023 05:07 (seven months ago) link

Hmmm. Live at Budokan is, for me, the absolute worst Dylan. Is this from the same shows? I have a hard time seeing how this can be good. That clip, "The Man in Me," isn't bad except for the saxophone. I'll probably get this but it's the first archival release that prompted an instant "bullshit" from me.

Cow_Art, Thursday, 7 September 2023 08:58 (seven months ago) link

Those are substantially new lyrics. I probably won't buy it, but I'm down for the listen. Even when he's "bad" he's fascinating.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 7 September 2023 11:48 (seven months ago) link

I do like the version of "Rolling Stone" from Budokan — seems sadder and wiser, even somewhat sympathetic.

TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Thursday, 7 September 2023 14:13 (seven months ago) link

This isn't THE BOOTLEG SERIES, is it? I have become quite confused by the fact that there is now a whole series of other releases that are like THE BOOTLEG SERIES but not actually part of it.

the pinefox, Thursday, 7 September 2023 14:15 (seven months ago) link

Which ones are you taking about(?)

Sir Mick explained: (morrisp), Thursday, 7 September 2023 14:37 (seven months ago) link

There are the "complete" series - complete shows with the band, complete rolling thunder, now the complete Budokan. I assume these are different because they're not really curated in any way.

Hoffman forums is saying that the Bootleg Series is winding down and there are a limited number of releases planned at this point; partially because of dwindling sales and also the sense that they've gotten through most of the good stuff. Somebody was saying that at a certain point the archives may start releasing stuff, but I don't know how much of any of that is confirmed.

Cow_Art, Thursday, 7 September 2023 14:45 (seven months ago) link

a "complete" show series would be good — like the Royal Festival Hall gig in 1964, or the "complete" Hard Rain 76, or a complete show from the 1980 Warfield residency ... I've always thought that someone like Dylan or Neil Young could just follow the Dick's/Dave's Picks model and target the hardcore fans who want this stuff. A subscription, 3-4 releases a year, it'd definitely make money.

tylerw, Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:00 (seven months ago) link

Live at Budokan is, for me, the absolute worst Dylan.

I've never heard it but that's always been the word on it -- back in the day cut-out bins were swollen with copies of it.

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:02 (seven months ago) link

Those COMPLETE boxes yes, that's a good example - plus, the releases which are somehow for copyright? I have '1970', think there is also an ANOTHER SIDE demos set of that kind?

These are things that I find hard to distinguish from THE BOOTLEG SERIES. In fact I thought the 1966 band series WAS part of that series!

the pinefox, Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:13 (seven months ago) link

Budokan is awesome, accept Budokan into your hearts.

tylerw, Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:16 (seven months ago) link

i have been waiting for this for decades

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:26 (seven months ago) link

I can deal with Dylan and the Dead, Knocked Out Loaded, everything else, but Budokan is the final Dylan frontier for me. It sounds pompous to me, like it's trying to add a lot of elements that just don't work: the flute, the saxophone, etc.

Tyler, what does it do for you? What am I missing?

Cow_Art, Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:29 (seven months ago) link

I dig his vocals on Budokan, I like the sort of wonky big band arrangements ... I dunno, it's always seemed kind of weirdly edgy to me, Dylan seeing how far he can stretch his songs into this smoother territory.

I'm seeing that they are charging $160 for the CDs of this new set though! WTF lol.

tylerw, Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:32 (seven months ago) link

From the official email that went out this morning:

This new deluxe box set celebrates Bob Dylan's 1978 world concert tour and the 45th anniversary of the artist's first concert appearances in Japan. It includes two complete shows from Tokyo’s Nippon Budokan Hall (February 28 and March 1, 1978) featuring 58 tracks, 36 of which are previously unreleased, all newly remixed from the original 24-channel analog tapes.
This luxurious 12 x 12” box is imported from Japan and includes 4 CD’s, a 60-page full-color photo book of liner notes and previously unpublished photos of Dylan on-stage and behind-the-scenes at the airport, press conferences and more and facsimile memorabilia such as concert tickets, pamphlets, posters, and flyers.

Also available as a 2-LP set with a selection of 14 previously unreleased performances. Listen now to “The Man In Me.”

So not an actual Bootleg Series title, but an imported domestic release of a Sony Japan box.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:32 (seven months ago) link

his tenderly unhinged vocals on "i want you" (over just the flute, lol, and a lil textural guitar) are maybe a way in

if the remit is "add way too much drama to it's alright ma" i prefer the broadway-climax version here to the before the flood approach of just turning everything all the way up and crossing fingers

Dylan seeing how far he can stretch his songs

big appeal for me yeah

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:35 (seven months ago) link

yeah, i mean, i fully recognize that getting into this era is a typical "i have listened to too much bob dylan" move, but I do genuinely enjoy it. maybe what comes across most is how strong so many of Dylan's melodies are, he really gives them room to breathe on Budokan as opposed to sort of sledgehammering them as he had during his previous 70s tours.

tylerw, Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:43 (seven months ago) link

Maybe he realized he had only a couple more years of belting like Caruso before he blew out his voice.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:45 (seven months ago) link

I was curious, but jfc... $160 for 4 CDs? Come on.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:48 (seven months ago) link

Dylan and Zappa drive me nuts with alternating these box sets between really reasonably priced and ridiculously overpriced. I get that it comes down to extras, books and packaging... but it's obnoxious. I think I paid like $18 for the 3xCD 1970 sessions thing and less than $70 for the gigantic '66 tour box.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:50 (seven months ago) link

$108 on Importcds and it'll come down (though as a Japanese import, probably never as cheap as some of the other sets have been).

bulb after bulb, Thursday, 7 September 2023 16:09 (seven months ago) link

xgau:

Bob Dylan: Bob Dylan at Budokan [Columbia, 1979]
I believe this double LP was made available so our hero could boast of being outclassed by Cheap Trick, who had the self-control to release but a single disc from this location. Although it's amazing how many of the twenty-two songs--twelve also available on one of the other two live albums Dylan has released since 1974--hold up under slipshod treatment. And not only that, lyrics and poster are included. C+

Simon Frith mentioned liking the xpost "I Want You" with flute, maybe other tracks as well?

I liked the xpost big band arrangements in the US '78 show I saw, especially the proto-speed metal big band "Masters of War." A lot of it was more Rolling Thunder, if that means subsets of musos all over the stage wt the same time, with more in the wings. Sometimes he'd call on one or more guys from various subsets (and/or the wings) to come together. Also, there was gospel, though also the gospel singers sang all of "Rainy Day Women." The duet with flute guy was "Blowin' In The Wind" on this occasion.

dow, Thursday, 7 September 2023 20:31 (seven months ago) link

Some of it was loosey-goosey, and set up that way; some was very tight, none of it seemed "slipshod."

dow, Thursday, 7 September 2023 20:36 (seven months ago) link

I tried, but this era does nothing for me. Dylan's singing is probably the best thing about it but it's not enough for me - I had a better time listening to him on the "Sinatra" tributes. What makes these shows unsalvageable is the arrangements. I am totally skipping this, which isn't saying much - the evangelical shows are much better and I never even bothered to buy that set either. (If they ever release the soundboard recording of Nov. 16, 1979 at Fox Warfield, I may pick it up.)

birdistheword, Friday, 8 September 2023 03:13 (seven months ago) link

I am definitely with with TylerW in the "i have listened to too much Bob Dylan" camp, but I also like the rehearsal boots from this era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTtcDE9-4oM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSeJNi1HgQg

bbq, Friday, 8 September 2023 04:39 (seven months ago) link

That Tomorrow is a Long Time is really nice.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 8 September 2023 12:23 (seven months ago) link

this is the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTQs_QJtClI

tylerw, Friday, 8 September 2023 14:50 (seven months ago) link

^Bob takes shouted requests(!)

I made it weird, I made it worse (morrisp), Friday, 8 September 2023 19:52 (seven months ago) link

wiki sez that tour started with three nights at the Budokan, Feb. 20, 21, 23, three in Osaka, then back to Tokyo for five more Budokan shows, the last on March 4. The show I saw was Dec. 3, after what was indeed a world tour, and Birmingham was def. not the last stop. So might have been very different from the Bukokan experience. Transitional, speculative, hot as spotlights pretty often:I t really did seem like a rolling crossroads. Hope somebody's got a tape.
All dates, quite a pace:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_World_Tour_1978

dow, Friday, 8 September 2023 23:38 (seven months ago) link


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