lmao when matt levine thinks you've done crime in an amusing way, you know you're in trouble
"is you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy" etc., but it is kind of great that every time trump sort of hinted to his lawyers that they should do crimes, they took copious notes like "i took this to be a hint that we should do crimes," and handed them right over.— Matt Levine (@matt_levine) June 9, 2023
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:26 (ten months ago) link
Don't forget he at one time was saying all the documents were planted
― omar little, Friday, 9 June 2023 18:27 (ten months ago) link
At least this halfwit gets it:
The problem for Trump -- you can "but Hillary" and "but Biden" all you want, but they have Trump on tape admitting he is showing classified documents that have not been declassified and he is showing them to people without proper clearance.— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) June 9, 2023
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:27 (ten months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/eq0BnoG.png
"beautiful mind paper boxes" is such an amazing phrase
― frogbs, Friday, 9 June 2023 18:27 (ten months ago) link
you know how everyone searches the Fed transcripts for [laughter] when they come out. that but for federal indictments pic.twitter.com/PBSqD3AM0m— modest proposal (@modestproposal1) June 9, 2023
he has the worst attorneys
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:28 (ten months ago) link
If only Guided By Voices could write a melody for it
xpost
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:28 (ten months ago) link
his florida judge might delay it, or his heart might explode, but ... is this guy going to jail?
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:30 (ten months ago) link
Oh, mesh gear foxPull out another paper trick from your beautiful mind box
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:31 (ten months ago) link
"Now we have a problem" is a good name for a politics thread. Or, you know, Trump thread.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 June 2023 18:32 (ten months ago) link
jesus christ
https://i.imgur.com/c3GitK1.png
idk what even to say at this point, I'm starting to believe he actually may go to jail
― frogbs, Friday, 9 June 2023 18:35 (ten months ago) link
Leaning towards dud these days.
― CeeLΓ΄ Borges (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:36 (ten months ago) link
Wasn't there a quote from fucking Kid Rock about being shown maps and thinking "Should I be seeing this?"
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:41 (ten months ago) link
I thought dud up until the indictment was unsealed. now he's definitely classic
― c u (crΓΌt), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:41 (ten months ago) link
Possible candidate for Mount Rushmore of self-pwn.
β il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, June 9, 2023 8:39 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:43 (ten months ago) link
see what happens when Pat Robertson stops praying for you for one day
― frogbs, Friday, 9 June 2023 18:44 (ten months ago) link
Hey, buddy, want to COMMIT SOME CRIMES together? Iβm going to show you some stuff thatβs COMPLETELY ILLEGAL.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:45 (ten months ago) link
lol
Special Counsel Jack Smith's indictment against former President Trump includes photos of documents boxes stored in various places at Mar-a-Lago. pic.twitter.com/Mz5zJvJjCM— Arden Farhi (@ArdenFarhi) June 9, 2023
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:45 (ten months ago) link
on a stage and next to a toilet bowl
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:46 (ten months ago) link
Well, sure, you need something to read while you're on the can.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:51 (ten months ago) link
"Donald Trump had illegally kept documents concerning U.S. nuclear programs and its potential vulnerabilities to military attack, the 49-page indictment showed."
seems significant that these docs were not just some crank's theory about how to invade iran.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:53 (ten months ago) link
Smith's remarks to be streamed here (and elsewhere I'm sure)
https://www.justice.gov/live
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 June 2023 18:53 (ten months ago) link
One of a zillion problems for Trump here is that the absolute true believer conspiracy nuts aside, all of the actions described and/or caught on tape align perfectly with the Trump we all know so well. Like, you know exactly what the little self-satisfied smirk on his face was when he was saying these things, and everything described is entirely in character. Even the stuff that seems sort of generically unbelievable β "Nobody would do that!" β becomes completely believable in the context of it being Trump.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:55 (ten months ago) link
Nauta seems like he's fucked and there is no way he is going to go down and not say, "Trump told me to do this."
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:55 (ten months ago) link
I could totally see Waltine taking however much heat is needed for Dear Leader.
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Friday, 9 June 2023 18:58 (ten months ago) link
I hope that Jack Smith has a voice to go with his grand inquisitor looks.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:03 (ten months ago) link
as strong and supple as Mueller's.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:04 (ten months ago) link
I cannot even fathom what kind of legal defense they're gonna try here
― frogbs, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:04 (ten months ago) link
It may well involve a white Bronco.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:05 (ten months ago) link
do you know who his parents are?
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:06 (ten months ago) link
Good morning!
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:09 (ten months ago) link
Straightforward enough statement from Smith, about all I'd expect.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:10 (ten months ago) link
The legal defense will be " I am innocent, Jack Smith is a pedophile, when you are famous they just let you do it, fake news, Benghazi, Biden, Hunter."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:11 (ten months ago) link
I cannot even fathom what kind of legal defense they're gonna try hereβ frogbs, Friday, June 9, 2023 3:04 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
β frogbs, Friday, June 9, 2023 3:04 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
delay
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:13 (ten months ago) link
whatever his defense is, i assume it will involve a comedic blundering into another wholly unnecessary but predictable crime.
― omar little, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:13 (ten months ago) link
as trump used to tell the families of dead troops, 'he knew what he signed up for'
― mookieproof, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:14 (ten months ago) link
I mean look the Stormy Daniels stuff is, J6 I think would be kind of hard to prosecute for, Georgia could even be a slap on the wrist given the friendly judges he's sure to get, but this here feels like the one thing even Trump may not be able to get away with, and it's such an open and shut case too
― frogbs, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:18 (ten months ago) link
The responses from loyalists seem to be primarily (1) it's not a crime, as President he could and did declassify all this stuff; (2) the transcript of the tapes is inaccurate, taken out of context, misleading, etc.; and (3) even if it was a crime, Hillary and Joe did so much worse.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:19 (ten months ago) link
I think I read somewhere that the nature of the crime and the DOJ means that delay tactics aren't as effective as they are in a traditional criminal trial. This was in the New Yorker earlier today:
This case is going to have severe timing issues. The Trump people will want to drag it out to put off any punishment and because they hope he can be President again before any punishment comes. And the government may want this to wrap up before the campaign heats up. I have heard people say that federal prosecutions are harder to delay. Is that accurate?Yes, federal prosecutions are harder to delay. The federal rules are a little more pro-government when it comes to the timing of proceedings than is true in most state courts. But there are two wild cards. The first is the judge. The judge still has a fair amount of say over the scheduling and calendaring of pretrial matters. Wild card No. 2 is how complex the pretrial proceedings are. And, again, that is something the government will have a fair amount of control over based on how it chooses to charge the case. Are the charges going to invite a ton of pretrial wrangling over expert witnesses and CIPA and the spectre of graymail? If you are the government and timing is a priority to you, that too will shape some of your decision-making to try to reduce the possibility of time-consuming, contentious pretrial fights.
Yes, federal prosecutions are harder to delay. The federal rules are a little more pro-government when it comes to the timing of proceedings than is true in most state courts. But there are two wild cards. The first is the judge. The judge still has a fair amount of say over the scheduling and calendaring of pretrial matters. Wild card No. 2 is how complex the pretrial proceedings are. And, again, that is something the government will have a fair amount of control over based on how it chooses to charge the case. Are the charges going to invite a ton of pretrial wrangling over expert witnesses and CIPA and the spectre of graymail? If you are the government and timing is a priority to you, that too will shape some of your decision-making to try to reduce the possibility of time-consuming, contentious pretrial fights.
Whole interview is pretty good at laying out the nuts, bolts and potential bullshit: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-legal-dynamics-of-trumps-second-indictment
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:20 (ten months ago) link
on the other hand this guy did fire the FBI director who was investigating him and publicly said exactly why he was doing it and nothing happened so who knows what's gonna happen here
― frogbs, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:21 (ten months ago) link
beautiful mind, paper boxes, can't lose
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:23 (ten months ago) link
So, what stands out to me is the number of Espionage Act charges: 31! I was expecting 10-15 or so, but 31 shows that DOJ will be pursuing a VERY aggressive strategy in this case. That has some strengths, and some drawbacks. Here's what it tells me, in no particular order.— Secrets and Laws (@secretsandlaws) June 9, 2023
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:24 (ten months ago) link
xxpost what do you mean nothing happened? The Greatest Witch Hunt in History happened.
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:26 (ten months ago) link
chotiner interview good as usual, but i think it was done before we knew who the judge is (which is not good news)
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:27 (ten months ago) link
Hard to imagine thereβs a lawyer on Earth who can get him to stop posting at this point. pic.twitter.com/npBOWtGp2q— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) June 9, 2023
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:40 (ten months ago) link
Who is he talking to with these Truth Social assplosions?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:47 (ten months ago) link
"His lawyers house in Boston" what
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:50 (ten months ago) link
lol did Biden move his boxes AFTER being asked to return specific classified documents? I don't think so.
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:54 (ten months ago) link
7. Nauta is f'd. Unless he's hoping Cannon or a Trump election will save him, I'd start plea talks real quick if I were him.— Secrets and Laws (@secretsandlaws) June 9, 2023
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 9 June 2023 20:02 (ten months ago) link
Doesnβt seem great when your indictment repeatedly quotes your own lawyers
― frogbs, Friday, 9 June 2023 20:03 (ten months ago) link
Also, he should stay away from hospital windows and Saudi Embassies.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 9 June 2023 20:03 (ten months ago) link