Good morning!
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:09 (ten months ago) link
Straightforward enough statement from Smith, about all I'd expect.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:10 (ten months ago) link
The legal defense will be " I am innocent, Jack Smith is a pedophile, when you are famous they just let you do it, fake news, Benghazi, Biden, Hunter."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:11 (ten months ago) link
I cannot even fathom what kind of legal defense they're gonna try here― frogbs, Friday, June 9, 2023 3:04 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― frogbs, Friday, June 9, 2023 3:04 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
delay
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:13 (ten months ago) link
whatever his defense is, i assume it will involve a comedic blundering into another wholly unnecessary but predictable crime.
― omar little, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:13 (ten months ago) link
Nauta seems like he's fucked and there is no way he is going to go down and not say, "Trump told me to do this."
as trump used to tell the families of dead troops, 'he knew what he signed up for'
― mookieproof, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:14 (ten months ago) link
I mean look the Stormy Daniels stuff is, J6 I think would be kind of hard to prosecute for, Georgia could even be a slap on the wrist given the friendly judges he's sure to get, but this here feels like the one thing even Trump may not be able to get away with, and it's such an open and shut case too
― frogbs, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:18 (ten months ago) link
The responses from loyalists seem to be primarily (1) it's not a crime, as President he could and did declassify all this stuff; (2) the transcript of the tapes is inaccurate, taken out of context, misleading, etc.; and (3) even if it was a crime, Hillary and Joe did so much worse.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:19 (ten months ago) link
I think I read somewhere that the nature of the crime and the DOJ means that delay tactics aren't as effective as they are in a traditional criminal trial. This was in the New Yorker earlier today:
This case is going to have severe timing issues. The Trump people will want to drag it out to put off any punishment and because they hope he can be President again before any punishment comes. And the government may want this to wrap up before the campaign heats up. I have heard people say that federal prosecutions are harder to delay. Is that accurate?Yes, federal prosecutions are harder to delay. The federal rules are a little more pro-government when it comes to the timing of proceedings than is true in most state courts. But there are two wild cards. The first is the judge. The judge still has a fair amount of say over the scheduling and calendaring of pretrial matters. Wild card No. 2 is how complex the pretrial proceedings are. And, again, that is something the government will have a fair amount of control over based on how it chooses to charge the case. Are the charges going to invite a ton of pretrial wrangling over expert witnesses and CIPA and the spectre of graymail? If you are the government and timing is a priority to you, that too will shape some of your decision-making to try to reduce the possibility of time-consuming, contentious pretrial fights.
Yes, federal prosecutions are harder to delay. The federal rules are a little more pro-government when it comes to the timing of proceedings than is true in most state courts. But there are two wild cards. The first is the judge. The judge still has a fair amount of say over the scheduling and calendaring of pretrial matters. Wild card No. 2 is how complex the pretrial proceedings are. And, again, that is something the government will have a fair amount of control over based on how it chooses to charge the case. Are the charges going to invite a ton of pretrial wrangling over expert witnesses and CIPA and the spectre of graymail? If you are the government and timing is a priority to you, that too will shape some of your decision-making to try to reduce the possibility of time-consuming, contentious pretrial fights.
Whole interview is pretty good at laying out the nuts, bolts and potential bullshit: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-legal-dynamics-of-trumps-second-indictment
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:20 (ten months ago) link
on the other hand this guy did fire the FBI director who was investigating him and publicly said exactly why he was doing it and nothing happened so who knows what's gonna happen here
― frogbs, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:21 (ten months ago) link
beautiful mind, paper boxes, can't lose
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:23 (ten months ago) link
So, what stands out to me is the number of Espionage Act charges: 31! I was expecting 10-15 or so, but 31 shows that DOJ will be pursuing a VERY aggressive strategy in this case. That has some strengths, and some drawbacks. Here's what it tells me, in no particular order.— Secrets and Laws (@secretsandlaws) June 9, 2023
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:24 (ten months ago) link
xxpost what do you mean nothing happened? The Greatest Witch Hunt in History happened.
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:26 (ten months ago) link
chotiner interview good as usual, but i think it was done before we knew who the judge is (which is not good news)
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:27 (ten months ago) link
Hard to imagine there’s a lawyer on Earth who can get him to stop posting at this point. pic.twitter.com/npBOWtGp2q— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) June 9, 2023
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:40 (ten months ago) link
Who is he talking to with these Truth Social assplosions?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:47 (ten months ago) link
"His lawyers house in Boston" what
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:50 (ten months ago) link
lol did Biden move his boxes AFTER being asked to return specific classified documents? I don't think so.
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:54 (ten months ago) link
7. Nauta is f'd. Unless he's hoping Cannon or a Trump election will save him, I'd start plea talks real quick if I were him.— Secrets and Laws (@secretsandlaws) June 9, 2023
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 9 June 2023 20:02 (ten months ago) link
Doesn’t seem great when your indictment repeatedly quotes your own lawyers
― frogbs, Friday, 9 June 2023 20:03 (ten months ago) link
Also, he should stay away from hospital windows and Saudi Embassies.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 9 June 2023 20:03 (ten months ago) link
xp to self
Ain’t no wriggling outta THIS jam.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 9 June 2023 20:15 (ten months ago) link
And Boris Johnson's just resigned as an MP so it's been aa bad day for lying narcissistic scumbags all round.
― Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Friday, 9 June 2023 20:39 (ten months ago) link
"If they knew, this would be a felony," said the former President, waving around an original Constitution from the Smithsonian and speaking directly into a recorder. "But they'll never know. They'll never know because I'm too smart."— Sen. Lemon Gogurt (I - Podcastia) (@Ugarles) June 9, 2023
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 9 June 2023 20:43 (ten months ago) link
Am aware of many political types today citing some TV dialogue about not taking notes on a criminal conspiracy. Gratified, yet we wrote our Baltimore players as at least half-smart, and not the easiest prey for common vanities and insecurities. Trump is a pompous, fatuous fool.— David Simon (@AoDespair) June 9, 2023
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 9 June 2023 20:44 (ten months ago) link
If your defense in doing crimes is "everybody does bunches of crimes," you are losing.
When I got pulled over for speeding, the police were strangely not swayed by an argument that ran "other people were speeding just as much, if not more."
― sayonara, capybara (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 June 2023 20:56 (ten months ago) link
🐦[Hard to imagine there’s a lawyer on Earth who can get him to stop posting at this point. pic.twitter.com/npBOWtGp2q🕸— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) June 9, 2023🕸]🐦
― TY FRANCE HATES TEXAS CONFIRMED (gyac), Friday, 9 June 2023 20:59 (ten months ago) link
i’m still loling at joe biden having documents all over his garage floor
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 9 June 2023 21:07 (ten months ago) link
Between this and Baby Gronk everything has felt like an I Think You Should Leave sketch lately
― frogbs, Friday, 9 June 2023 21:10 (ten months ago) link
which we know because Biden usually leaves his garage door open, like a bad HOA member
― felicity, Friday, 9 June 2023 21:11 (ten months ago) link
Using some missile defense specs to wipe off his hands after changing his oil in the Corvette.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 9 June 2023 21:12 (ten months ago) link
I hear he drag races for nuke specs
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 9 June 2023 21:15 (ten months ago) link
I think we’ll find that a bunch of people are jailed for looking at the classified documents (i.e. espionage) while Asshole receives a stern rebuke and a five figure fine.
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 9 June 2023 21:27 (ten months ago) link
can we not
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Friday, 9 June 2023 21:45 (ten months ago) link
this is a day of joy
Trump Attorney 3 is getting suspended if not disbarred.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 9 June 2023 22:12 (ten months ago) link
Goddam Deep State strikes again.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 June 2023 22:13 (ten months ago) link
the recounting of movement of the boxes reads like a three-card monte recap (requested 80, moved 12, took 25, missing 72, deliver 30 etc)
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 June 2023 22:29 (ten months ago) link
seems unwise https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/110516652745413008
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 9 June 2023 23:10 (ten months ago) link
Nah, seems kosher to me. The more the merrier, it'll be wild. Soto, you should go!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 June 2023 23:13 (ten months ago) link
can't we just C&P those posts? no way in hell am I clicking on that.
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Friday, 9 June 2023 23:25 (ten months ago) link
I think what I learned today
Is
When you do crime remember to make a recording
So you know how to do crime next time
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Friday, 9 June 2023 23:40 (ten months ago) link
That's nothing! I'm calling on EVERY REPUBLICAN TO COMMIT SUICIDE in solidarity with Trump!Otherwise, we don't have a country, folks. https://t.co/3wzw9rjCqa— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) June 9, 2023
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Saturday, 10 June 2023 00:33 (ten months ago) link
that's the kind of thing that gets keith olbermann's motors running
― mookieproof, Saturday, 10 June 2023 00:40 (ten months ago) link
damn, otm
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 10 June 2023 00:43 (ten months ago) link
Twelve-D chess, man
Poking through the even more extreme websites, the story is that Trump wanted to get indicted SO THAT he could reveal he’s been president this whole time and indict Biden.— Raffi Melkonian (@RMFifthCircuit) June 10, 2023
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 June 2023 15:49 (ten months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPumsKqIeBA
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 June 2023 15:58 (ten months ago) link
Trump supporters are organizing on fringe social media platforms, finding the names of fed prosecutors & compiling information about their "children" and families"We need to start killing" one MAGA cultist saidAnother: "(their) children are fair game"https://t.co/Rf1kZGtIHa— LeGate🤠 (@williamlegate) June 9, 2023
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 10 June 2023 16:04 (ten months ago) link
Twelve-D chess, man🐦[Poking through the even more extreme websites, the story is that Trump wanted to get indicted SO THAT he could reveal he’s been president this whole time and indict Biden.— Raffi Melkonian (@RMFifthCircuit) June 10, 2023🕸]🐦
― Crabber B. Munson (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 10 June 2023 16:06 (ten months ago) link