And it is also complicated… there are many individual techniques that go into the general category, and drumming has changed/evolved over time (just talking within the jazz-rock genre centered in the US/Western Europe) … like matched grip, and the advent of the double-kick pedal, triggers, etc … what is privileged and what isn’t… like I have a friend who I will clown about bringing hi-hat to gigs because all he uses it as is a cymbal… but he has amazing moeller technique. Super impressive
― sarahell, Saturday, 10 June 2023 20:03 (ten months ago) link
There are others who have certain extended techniques down masterfully (bowing and scraping cymbals for example) … but ask them to do triple paradiddles like Zach Hill and they would not be able to
― sarahell, Saturday, 10 June 2023 20:08 (ten months ago) link
I love her drumming I wasn't trying to be ironic but their reputation precedes them mostly for the reason you said (feminist icon frank zappa etc) - the rest is way too technical for me but it sounds cool
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 10 June 2023 20:16 (ten months ago) link
The video doesn’t show her playing. The long-standing assumption that they were unskilled is… questionable and a bit misogynistic tbh. If they were boys, it wouldn’t have been as widely assumed
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 10 June 2023 20:45 (ten months ago) link
i am glad we all like the Shaggs here <3
― sarahell, Saturday, 10 June 2023 20:50 (ten months ago) link
the first time i heard the Shaggs was in like 2001 when 'Who Are Parents' was playing in a record store. i thought it was a contemporary band, that they were playing out of time with each other on purpose, that it was really creative and sounded amazing. i bought their album on the spot.
― carthage marine park (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 10 June 2023 20:55 (ten months ago) link
just instantly i was like 'i gotta write a song where the drums are playing in a different groove and tempo from the rest of the instruments, that's such a great idea, i must rip it off'
― carthage marine park (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 10 June 2023 20:58 (ten months ago) link
i mean, if what you play is like, the musical equivalent of a burger and fries, and you are technically competent at it ... though not everyone thinks a burger and fries is the most amazing thing, but it's not like the metaphorical burger and fries aren't great examples of what they are. ... sometimes you want baklava or a Burmese tea leaf salad or pizza
― sarahell, Saturday, 10 June 2023 21:18 (ten months ago) link
or the Beatles
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 10 June 2023 21:19 (ten months ago) link
yeah, I'd say if Meg White is a burger and fries, then the Beatles could be ... akin to pizza. Huh. Maybe you should start a thread about that whiney?
― sarahell, Saturday, 10 June 2023 21:24 (ten months ago) link
I never want the Beatles.
― Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Saturday, 10 June 2023 21:57 (ten months ago) link
I know nothing about drumming or playing instruments and what follows is yet another example of me opining online with an unearned sense of authority
But
No way is Meg White comparable to the Shaggs. The Shaggs were deliberately, weirdly incompetent and offbeat while Meg was just sort of “back to basics”
― treeship., Saturday, 10 June 2023 22:18 (ten months ago) link
is there another thread/board/site ye could be doing this on
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 10 June 2023 22:23 (ten months ago) link
if ye have to do it at all
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 10 June 2023 22:24 (ten months ago) link
it's true meg white is no helen wiggin her drumming is much more boring
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 10 June 2023 22:30 (ten months ago) link
still the best thing that ever happened to jack though
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 10 June 2023 22:31 (ten months ago) link
The Meg vs. Jack
― Enumerated funks of Walsh, Joe. (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 10 June 2023 22:35 (ten months ago) link
I read a positive review for a movie called “terrifier 2” and it sounded the stupidest shit ever. Is it?
― treeship., Saturday, 10 June 2023 23:01 (ten months ago) link
comparing music and musicians to food is very key to ILX culture
― sarahell, Saturday, 10 June 2023 23:06 (ten months ago) link
I've heard Helen Wiggin's influence in the drumming of drummers both great (Kevin Shea) and terrible ([redacted])
― professional window (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 10 June 2023 23:41 (ten months ago) link
Xp do people compare posters to food? Like who is a not quite ripe early summer peach? And who is a maggot ridden casu martzu cheese?
― treeship., Sunday, 11 June 2023 01:58 (ten months ago) link
James Redd and the Blecchs would be a biryani cart special paired with a fine rare vintage cabernet.
― carthage marine park (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 11 June 2023 02:29 (ten months ago) link
Steve Gadd is a Rice Krispies treat
― sayonara, capybara (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 11 June 2023 05:16 (ten months ago) link
crisp, textural, yet also chewy, rich, always sweet, never cloying
― Florin Cuchares, Sunday, 11 June 2023 10:31 (ten months ago) link
^ gets it
― sayonara, capybara (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 11 June 2023 13:26 (ten months ago) link
I wrote a version of this offsite to sarahel butThe food metaphor for Meg White is Cool Haus ice cream sandwiches, which had a brick and mortar that I would go to. The ice cream wasn’t exactly great — which *would* seem like a huge issue with an ice cream sandwich. I mean, it’s called “ice cream sandwich” not “stuffed cookies”But the cookies, the backbone of the sandwich, were phenomenal. When I’d go, I wouldn’t just order a cookie, I’d order the whole sandwich with the knowledge that the cookies would outshine the ice cream
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 11 June 2023 16:37 (ten months ago) link
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkZQoa3XThGo35f37FEOlO49AAeHUU2VR6TA&usqp=CAU
CocoRosie? Coco...Rosie?
― he thinks it's chinese money (soref), Monday, 12 June 2023 09:10 (ten months ago) link
If Son Haus made ice cream cookies...
― Mark G, Monday, 12 June 2023 09:43 (ten months ago) link
read a positive review for a movie called “terrifier 2” and it sounded the stupidest shit ever. Is it?
It's no Terrifier 1, that's for sure.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 12 June 2023 14:42 (ten months ago) link
it's better than Citizen Kane 2
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Monday, 12 June 2023 16:04 (ten months ago) link
Another Citizen Kane
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 12 June 2023 16:14 (ten months ago) link
2 Citizen 2 Kane
― New No-No Bettencourt (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 12 June 2023 16:19 (ten months ago) link
2 citizens 1 kane
― Marvel Puzzle Quest is my favorite gasm (DJP), Monday, 12 June 2023 21:40 (ten months ago) link
Citizen Kane: The Squeaquel
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 13:50 (ten months ago) link
Raising Kane: A Boy and His Sled (prequel)
― rick james, critical moralist (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 16:16 (ten months ago) link
― Marvel Puzzle Quest is my favorite gasm (DJP), Monday, June 12, 2023 10:40 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
rosebud's first ride
― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 17:18 (ten months ago) link
that's a p0rn0 title yeah?
― sarahell, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 17:27 (ten months ago) link
you know the guillotine is much more cost-effective
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 22 June 2023 20:28 (ten months ago) link
Jeez you guys are even bigger melts than
― Grandall Flange (wins), Friday, 23 June 2023 20:42 (ten months ago) link
https://oaklandside.org/2023/06/23/oakland-fireworks-gunshots-how-to-tell-the-difference
― sarahell, Saturday, 24 June 2023 18:21 (ten months ago) link
https://i.postimg.cc/J45tgc9j/3cc3c6a597a4ce6054dc1958213dbb1d.jpg
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 24 June 2023 22:58 (ten months ago) link
Heartbreaking: the worst person you know just pitched a perfect game
― half the population ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (gyac), Thursday, 29 June 2023 09:53 (ten months ago) link
the fundamental problem with baseball aiui is the personalities of its pitchers
― imago, Thursday, 29 June 2023 10:08 (ten months ago) link
albeit my major exposure to it is jomboy or antonelli breakdowns, which often feature pitchers being babies, so
*settles down to watch stuart broad*
― imago, Thursday, 29 June 2023 10:09 (ten months ago) link
― half the population ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (gyac), Thursday, 29 June 2023 10:14 (ten months ago) link
:/
― imago, Thursday, 29 June 2023 10:19 (ten months ago) link
come, m’ladycome come, m’lady
― the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 29 June 2023 16:10 (ten months ago) link
What happened to Karl Malone?
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 29 June 2023 17:50 (ten months ago) link
I think Karl rebranded, no?
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 29 June 2023 17:58 (ten months ago) link