The best thing for all concerned would be for him just to die.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:01 (ten months ago) link
I have no fucking doubt that this piece of shit will get a second term. Biden will tell us he’s so disappointed, but that “staying high while they go low” will continue to be the best path forward. Always be a good sport!
― beamish13, Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:11 (ten months ago) link
Jesus, I hope not.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:13 (ten months ago) link
take it here: rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:13 (ten months ago) link
He's not going to win, relax.
― Crabber B. Munson (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:15 (ten months ago) link
I’ll take this anger inward, thank you. The worst that can happen is it metastasizes into cancer
― beamish13, Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:16 (ten months ago) link
If he dies without suffering, I guess that's all right. But I would prefer having him die after a deeply unpleasant period in which he has to be faced with the consequences of his actions, and in which he has to contemplate his myriad sins against taste and against humanity
ymmv
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:23 (ten months ago) link
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, June 29, 2023 4:01 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
The best thing would be for him to get the nomination, pick some weirdo for his running mate, then die and let the GOP tear itself apart trying to decide who was going to replace him on the ticket.
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:24 (ten months ago) link
pillow guy vs MTG FITE
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:26 (ten months ago) link
xxp I think he is completely immune to facing the consequences of his actions or contemplating his sins. I don't think his brain is even able to work that way.
I would actually love for him to have a massive, paralyzing stroke, be forced to spend the rest of his days watching Obama's roasting of him at the 2011 Correspondents' Dinner on an endless loop, and to die alone and in complete obscurity.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:26 (ten months ago) link
ok
anyway Boebert/Hawley '24
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:27 (ten months ago) link
Is a presidential candidate even required to have a running mate?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:28 (ten months ago) link
Technically, no. It's just become customary. Pretty sure the original founding assumption was that the runner-up would become vice president.
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:30 (ten months ago) link
Biden/Trump 24
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:30 (ten months ago) link
Different sides of the same ass penny
― beamish13, Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:31 (ten months ago) link
uh no
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:32 (ten months ago) link
“Whoever wins, we lose.”-Alien vs. Predator tagline. Also, the theme of every American election
― beamish13, Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:34 (ten months ago) link
I have no fucking doubt that this piece of shit will get a second term.
The independents who delivered his first term think he smells like shit now.. it's only his faithful now, and there's just not enough of them
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:35 (ten months ago) link
there's losing and there's an 8-1 SCOTUS advantage and a President actively encouraging people to discriminate against minorities and gay people and issuing anti-trans Executive orders
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:36 (ten months ago) link
if he gets the nomination there's always a chance, but if he couldn't win as the incumbant I'm not sure how he's gonna win after losing once, inciting a riot, and then getting charged with 400 felonies. like who voted Biden in 2020 that is now gonna go, "eh, Trump deserves another chance"
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:37 (ten months ago) link
When he gets the nomination
Who else is there? Fucking Mittens AGAIN? Abbott and De Santis don’t mean shit outside of their states. There are no women vying for it
― beamish13, Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:40 (ten months ago) link
Much like 2020, can't underestimate the absolute hate and terror that would drive Democrats to the polls
― omar little, Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:40 (ten months ago) link
Not that Trump doesn't have some enthusiasm in his base of course but I don't see it being better for him this time around
― omar little, Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:41 (ten months ago) link
There are no women vying for it
Except Nikki Haley
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 29 June 2023 20:42 (ten months ago) link
just seems if the GOP has any savviness at all they'd know they have to move past Trump, they've been consistently getting their asses kicked since 2016 and having their frontrunner be a guy who is facing trial for like a hundred felony counts while the primaries are going on seems like a surefire way to get your ass kicked again. but somehow I think DeSantis would do even worse!
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:11 (ten months ago) link
“This is off the record, but -“
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:20 (ten months ago) link
There's an old phrase, "lucky in one's enemies."
Trumpdom offers basically no appeal to anyone of good sense and good will... but it still needs a viable alternative. Sensible people reject the Don and all his insanity but there is also a serious enthusiasm gap around ol' Mr. Biden.
I would feel a lot better about dismissing any chance for The Orange Personage if we didn't have such a nose-holding situation on the opposing side.
― pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:21 (ten months ago) link
people were really enthusiastic about Biden when he was the only thing standing between us and 4 more years of Trump and I suspect that'll probably happen again
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:24 (ten months ago) link
Biden’s health is an enormous fucking liability, and I hate how the DNC has no real contingency plan beyond Harris, who sold out her ideals very early in the 2020 cycle. Two octogenarians squaring off is horrifying. When the Soviet Union was in its death throes, everyone in power was ancient as well
― beamish13, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:24 (ten months ago) link
I like Kamala, but she, like most female politicians in this country, is widely reviled.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:25 (ten months ago) link
Hard to see a situation where Biden loses votes without Trump also losing as many or more votes. Hard to see the turnout increasing on 2020 too though (at least not in a way that benefits Dems as much as in 2020).
― nashwan, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:26 (ten months ago) link
Most progressives do not like her poor history as a prosecutor, and she completely caved on Medicare for All. I detest her replacement in California, Alex Padilla, who is even worse
― beamish13, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:27 (ten months ago) link
DeSantis is tacking to the right of Pinochet, I don't see how he thinks this is a winning strategy.. now he wants to end birthright citizenship and dissolve the IRS, no details on how he plans to accomplish other than repetitive evocations of woke
His whole 'we'll fight the woke on the beaches, we'll fight the woke in the streets" is a straight-up Churchill ripoff, except Churchill was talking about literal fucking NAZIs rather than well-meaning folks concerned with inclusion and social justice.. kind of offensive to compare the two
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:40 (ten months ago) link
Most progressives do not like her poor history as a prosecutor, and she completely caved on Medicare for All.
Well, there go 30 votes in Vermont and 60 in California...
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:41 (ten months ago) link
Sorry, what? M4All is INCREDIBLY popular, at least in coastal states. Oregon enshrined a right fi healthcare in its state constitution. Is it too much to ask America to evolve with the mid-20th century and have guaranteed fucking healthcare? Christ. You’re pudding away hundreds of billions on murdering people abroad every year
― beamish13, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:44 (ten months ago) link
Part of the reason why I emigrated to Canada is a desire to not be a slave to my work just for healthcare. It’s an unbelievable burden, and eventually the dam has to burst in America. Or you go bust. Or both.
― beamish13, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:47 (ten months ago) link
M4All is INCREDIBLY popular, at least in coastal states. Oregon enshrined a right fi healthcare in its state constitution. Is it too much to ask America to evolve with the mid-20th century and have guaranteed fucking healthcare?
"Medicare for All" as a concept, as a daydream, is popular in a "would you like a cookie? sure, if you're giving out cookies" sense, but it's not a determining factor in most people's vote for president and never will be, because a) they have decades of experience of seeing presidents throw away opportunities to improve the lives of Americans and b) they have decades of experience of governmental attempts at improving Americans' lives turning into compromised, suck-ass half-measures full of bribes for rich scumbags anyway.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:50 (ten months ago) link
I guess Americans are fucked. It sucks that they don’t demand more, but I get it. You delude yourself into thinking you’re superior by staying ignorant of other countries and customs, promoting monolingualism, and romanticizing the status quo
― beamish13, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:52 (ten months ago) link
M4Alll is a useful whipping boy for red state legislators; "wouldn't your rather have no healthcare at all than having BIG DEEP STATE gov't deciding when to euthanize your grandma??"
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:57 (ten months ago) link
People fall for the Boogeyman. It’s the lack of media literacy (or really, literacy period. Millions cannot read at an 8th grade level)
― beamish13, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:58 (ten months ago) link
Millions cannot read at an 8th grade level
My second favorite Tortoise album.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 June 2023 21:59 (ten months ago) link
50, 000 Trumpers Can Hijack a Government
― beamish13, Thursday, 29 June 2023 22:00 (ten months ago) link
How is Biden's health solely an issue when Trump has some of the worst cholesterol numbers that you'd ever expect to see from someone taking a powerful dose of statin. He also never exercises.
Like if someone's making that their reason to vote against Biden, nobody reasonable was ever getting their vote
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 June 2023 22:20 (ten months ago) link
Still a shame COVID didn't get him
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 June 2023 22:22 (ten months ago) link
Never said Trump’s wasn’t an issue, either. Neither is doing much better than Diane Feinstein (who I fucking detest. People like her and Ruth Bader Ginsburg just cannot cede power)
― beamish13, Thursday, 29 June 2023 22:28 (ten months ago) link
Btw progressives didn't give Biden the White House. Independents did. They don't gaf about M4A.
That's missing the point here itt though. Most of us here support progressive policies and know how fucked our system is, so you're kinda being needlessly condescending, beamish.
But lack of M4All isn't dooming Biden.
The worry is the aforementioned Independents. Some of them will defect to the outsider party as per usual. Some will do so because of blaming Biden for inflation/economy. Others will still be driven to vote against Trump. Some may give up on voting.
The indictment will drive many Independents away, as well as gaining some who are stupid and believe it's gamesmanship.
But the Independents plus D turnout as well as Rs maintaining their 2020 turnout are the key to this election
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 June 2023 22:31 (ten months ago) link
Not trying to be condescending at all. Simply disgusted with the state of affairs in my former nation and resigned to the fact that things are only going to get worse
― beamish13, Thursday, 29 June 2023 22:34 (ten months ago) link
Turns out "American carnage" was aspriational.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 29 June 2023 22:37 (ten months ago) link
*aspirational
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 29 June 2023 22:38 (ten months ago) link
Wish Trump would aspirate.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 June 2023 23:53 (ten months ago) link