Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

pillow guy vs MTG FITE

xxp I think he is completely immune to facing the consequences of his actions or contemplating his sins. I don't think his brain is even able to work that way.

I would actually love for him to have a massive, paralyzing stroke, be forced to spend the rest of his days watching Obama's roasting of him at the 2011 Correspondents' Dinner on an endless loop, and to die alone and in complete obscurity.

ok

anyway Boebert/Hawley '24

Is a presidential candidate even required to have a running mate?

Technically, no. It's just become customary. Pretty sure the original founding assumption was that the runner-up would become vice president.

Biden/Trump 24

Different sides of the same ass penny

uh no

“Whoever wins, we lose.”-Alien vs. Predator tagline. Also, the theme of every American election

I have no fucking doubt that this piece of shit will get a second term.

The independents who delivered his first term think he smells like shit now.. it's only his faithful now, and there's just not enough of them

there's losing and there's an 8-1 SCOTUS advantage and a President actively encouraging people to discriminate against minorities and gay people and issuing anti-trans Executive orders

if he gets the nomination there's always a chance, but if he couldn't win as the incumbant I'm not sure how he's gonna win after losing once, inciting a riot, and then getting charged with 400 felonies. like who voted Biden in 2020 that is now gonna go, "eh, Trump deserves another chance"

When he gets the nomination

Who else is there? Fucking Mittens AGAIN? Abbott and De Santis don’t mean shit outside of their states. There are no women vying for it

Much like 2020, can't underestimate the absolute hate and terror that would drive Democrats to the polls

Not that Trump doesn't have some enthusiasm in his base of course but I don't see it being better for him this time around

There are no women vying for it

Except Nikki Haley

just seems if the GOP has any savviness at all they'd know they have to move past Trump, they've been consistently getting their asses kicked since 2016 and having their frontrunner be a guy who is facing trial for like a hundred felony counts while the primaries are going on seems like a surefire way to get your ass kicked again. but somehow I think DeSantis would do even worse!

“This is off the record, but -“

There's an old phrase, "lucky in one's enemies."

Trumpdom offers basically no appeal to anyone of good sense and good will... but it still needs a viable alternative. Sensible people reject the Don and all his insanity but there is also a serious enthusiasm gap around ol' Mr. Biden.

I would feel a lot better about dismissing any chance for The Orange Personage if we didn't have such a nose-holding situation on the opposing side.

people were really enthusiastic about Biden when he was the only thing standing between us and 4 more years of Trump and I suspect that'll probably happen again

Biden’s health is an enormous fucking liability, and I hate how the DNC has no real contingency plan beyond Harris, who sold out her ideals very early in the 2020 cycle. Two octogenarians squaring off is horrifying. When the Soviet Union was in its death throes, everyone in power was ancient as well

I like Kamala, but she, like most female politicians in this country, is widely reviled.

Hard to see a situation where Biden loses votes without Trump also losing as many or more votes. Hard to see the turnout increasing on 2020 too though (at least not in a way that benefits Dems as much as in 2020).

Most progressives do not like her poor history as a prosecutor, and she completely caved on Medicare for All. I detest her replacement in California, Alex Padilla, who is even worse

DeSantis is tacking to the right of Pinochet, I don't see how he thinks this is a winning strategy.. now he wants to end birthright citizenship and dissolve the IRS, no details on how he plans to accomplish other than repetitive evocations of woke

His whole 'we'll fight the woke on the beaches, we'll fight the woke in the streets" is a straight-up Churchill ripoff, except Churchill was talking about literal fucking NAZIs rather than well-meaning folks concerned with inclusion and social justice.. kind of offensive to compare the two

Most progressives do not like her poor history as a prosecutor, and she completely caved on Medicare for All.

Well, there go 30 votes in Vermont and 60 in California...

Sorry, what? M4All is INCREDIBLY popular, at least in coastal states. Oregon enshrined a right fi healthcare in its state constitution. Is it too much to ask America to evolve with the mid-20th century and have guaranteed fucking healthcare? Christ. You’re pudding away hundreds of billions on murdering people abroad every year

Part of the reason why I emigrated to Canada is a desire to not be a slave to my work just for healthcare. It’s an unbelievable burden, and eventually the dam has to burst in America. Or you go bust. Or both.

M4All is INCREDIBLY popular, at least in coastal states. Oregon enshrined a right fi healthcare in its state constitution. Is it too much to ask America to evolve with the mid-20th century and have guaranteed fucking healthcare?

"Medicare for All" as a concept, as a daydream, is popular in a "would you like a cookie? sure, if you're giving out cookies" sense, but it's not a determining factor in most people's vote for president and never will be, because a) they have decades of experience of seeing presidents throw away opportunities to improve the lives of Americans and b) they have decades of experience of governmental attempts at improving Americans' lives turning into compromised, suck-ass half-measures full of bribes for rich scumbags anyway.

I guess Americans are fucked. It sucks that they don’t demand more, but I get it. You delude yourself into thinking you’re superior by staying ignorant of other countries and customs, promoting monolingualism, and romanticizing the status quo

M4Alll is a useful whipping boy for red state legislators; "wouldn't your rather have no healthcare at all than having BIG DEEP STATE gov't deciding when to euthanize your grandma??"

People fall for the Boogeyman. It’s the lack of media literacy (or really, literacy period. Millions cannot read at an 8th grade level)

Millions cannot read at an 8th grade level

My second favorite Tortoise album.

50, 000 Trumpers Can Hijack a Government

How is Biden's health solely an issue when Trump has some of the worst cholesterol numbers that you'd ever expect to see from someone taking a powerful dose of statin. He also never exercises.

Like if someone's making that their reason to vote against Biden, nobody reasonable was ever getting their vote

Still a shame COVID didn't get him

Never said Trump’s wasn’t an issue, either. Neither is doing much better than Diane Feinstein (who I fucking detest. People like her and Ruth Bader Ginsburg just cannot cede power)

Btw progressives didn't give Biden the White House. Independents did. They don't gaf about M4A.

That's missing the point here itt though. Most of us here support progressive policies and know how fucked our system is, so you're kinda being needlessly condescending, beamish.

But lack of M4All isn't dooming Biden.

The worry is the aforementioned Independents. Some of them will defect to the outsider party as per usual. Some will do so because of blaming Biden for inflation/economy. Others will still be driven to vote against Trump. Some may give up on voting.

The indictment will drive many Independents away, as well as gaining some who are stupid and believe it's gamesmanship.

But the Independents plus D turnout as well as Rs maintaining their 2020 turnout are the key to this election

Not trying to be condescending at all. Simply disgusted with the state of affairs in my former nation and resigned to the fact that things are only going to get worse

Turns out "American carnage" was aspriational.

*aspirational

Wish Trump would aspirate.

We can wish that he'd choke on a bone, but he probably only eats boneless chicken tenders.. he doesn't eat salmon

he doesn't eat salmon

definitely the beginning of the end for the Flaming Lips

he probably only eats boneless chicken tenders..

NEVER FORGET

https://img.i-scmp.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=contain,width=425,format=auto/sites/default/files/styles/768x768/public/d8/images/methode/2020/11/23/06e11d1a-2a47-11eb-bf26-f2b76f37a526_image_hires_185130.png?itok=cUX5o-f0&v=1606128702

One of the only ways he plays is safe: eating KFC w/a knife & fork

that's another crime right there

wish he'd eat it with a katana

But lack of M4All isn't dooming Biden.

I agree — and to be clear, I'm not personally doomy about this election, I'm "I have no idea what's going to happen, shit is crazy." But Biden's weakness is just exactly what it looks like. Even if people don't think he's senescent, they do think he's old and out of touch and utterly uninspiring — I think that myself! For an incumbent, he's a super weak candidate. He got something of a pass in 2020 because so many people were turned off by Trump, but incumbents don't get that advantage. So I think he's coming in with the latent weaknesses of an incumbent in a shaky economy and few of the advantages.

Incumbents do, however, have a pronounced advantage that in modern times, they rarely lose.

that said, I don't think his winning re-election is a foregone conclusion either (and this is coming from someone who spent 2019-2020 basically screaming Trump was toast). i think treating any of the outcomes like foregone conclusions is just an effort in anxiety at this point - who knows, maybe polar bears will take America hostage

I would, however, encourage people to ignore any polling Presidential head to head polling right now, particularly because the 'undecided' responses are through the stratosphere, and pre-nom polls are usually garbage.