It’s good these folks are shining a light on casual bigotry early on but as for a “posting strike” I can pretty much guarantee corporate would like nothing more than to hit mute on this entire debacle. Sorry but I seriously doubt enough users care enough to significantly impact their traffic. a lot of people are less concerned with moving to a new instance of Bluesky, than making sure bigots are not able to have *any* instance on here…The Reddit problem in a nutshell (and sorry to keep harping on this but also the fundamental flaw in Mastodon as I understand it).
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 13 July 2023 16:05 (nine months ago) link
until there is a bluesky thread: some pod person pronounced bluesky as rhymes with brewski yest, is that a thing? is there some meaning in that styling? when it happened, it was so weird i didn't even realize she was talking about for bluesky for a sec.
send me an invite so i can be tendentious and annoying there, too? jk i will be better there somehow.
― rick james, critical moralist (Hunt3r), Thursday, 13 July 2023 16:10 (nine months ago) link
Your WebMail is broke so I hope this works:
bsky-social-ohi4a-r6pgp
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 13 July 2023 16:22 (nine months ago) link
didn't quite work, but thx!!
― rick james, critical moralist (Hunt3r), Thursday, 13 July 2023 16:28 (nine months ago) link
I mean, if Bluesky is currently 100k users, then it is not the frontrunner alternative to Twitter? (as claimed by the first line of that TechCrunch article)
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 July 2023 16:30 (nine months ago) link
it is because im on there
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 July 2023 16:37 (nine months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f0rFxylowQ
― Gerard Grisey Funk (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 13 July 2023 16:39 (nine months ago) link
not so sure post boycotts are gonna work well against a new social media site that as of recently has been trying to limit the number of new signups, including a temporary pause on 7/3.
more direct action would be more effective.
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 July 2023 16:42 (nine months ago) link
didn't quite work, but thx!!― rick james, critical moralist (Hunt3r), Thursday, July 13, 2023 12:28 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― rick james, critical moralist (Hunt3r), Thursday, July 13, 2023 12:28 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Someone snagged it! 😂
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 13 July 2023 16:44 (nine months ago) link
dbvisel!
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 13 July 2023 16:45 (nine months ago) link
THERE ARE THIEVES ON ILX
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 July 2023 16:45 (nine months ago) link
these are worthy causes and real issues that should be addressed in a "global town square" platform. but this seems to be going down the same path as the fediverse where a majority of "the conversation" ends up being #fediblock bike-shedding instead of like people hanging out with people. i don't think the global town square is something anyone other than advertisers want and we're just drawn to it through various dark-patterns. tbh i think small unfederated-by-default communities of like-minded folks is the only healthy twitter-style social media
― butch wig (diamonddave85), Thursday, 13 July 2023 17:04 (nine months ago) link
Ok that is p lol, i feel bad! My ilx linked email should work also, not sure how ilx dm emails are done tho either. Thx again!
― rick james, critical moralist (Hunt3r), Thursday, 13 July 2023 17:17 (nine months ago) link
This ep inspired me to go sorta actually almost surf on my mastodon tho and it was reasonably fun tbh, first time i’ve been able to say that other times have been a bit too much drag
― rick james, critical moralist (Hunt3r), Thursday, 13 July 2023 17:20 (nine months ago) link
these are worthy causes and real issues that should be addressed in a "global town square" platform. but this seems to be going down the same path as the fediverse where a majority of "the conversation" ends up being #fediblock bike-shedding instead of like people hanging out with people. i don't think the global town square is something anyone other than advertisers want and we're just drawn to it through various dark-patterns. tbh i think small unfederated-by-default communities of like-minded folks is the only healthy twitter-style social media― butch wig (diamonddave85), Thursday, July 13, 2023 1:04 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― butch wig (diamonddave85), Thursday, July 13, 2023 1:04 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
OTM and I think issues like blackness and queerness are ideal but you’re absolutely right that it is naturally reduced to bike-shedding (especially in an environment where status is so valued). This has, however, been a nice reminder to appreciate spaces like ILX and Messages.app (and the proliferation of “Group Text”).
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 13 July 2023 17:36 (nine months ago) link
we should be using the global town square to encourage people to take up biking, not to shed them >:(
― serving bundt (sic), Thursday, 13 July 2023 17:41 (nine months ago) link
i was for whatever reason thinking of the term bikeshedding then i open this thread and boom there it is haha plate plate of shrimp
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 July 2023 17:46 (nine months ago) link
Plate…or shrimp. Can someone plz enlighten me about the meaning of bike-shedding?
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 13 July 2023 17:49 (nine months ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 13 July 2023 17:50 (nine months ago) link
Not enlightening. Guess bike-shedding is just ostracizing the bigots without actually getting rid of bigoted content?
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 13 July 2023 17:51 (nine months ago) link
bikeshedding is spending time on the inconsequential parts of a problem because theyre easier, eg building a nuclear power plant but mostly worrying what color to paint the bike shed
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 July 2023 17:55 (nine months ago) link
i don't think the global town square is something anyone other than advertisers want
i think this only a minor exaggeration, but not enough people are willing to subject themselves to a true global town square with humility and courage. but enough about me.
i have allowed my love of cycling to nearly destroy me more than once, but had never heard bike-shedding, good to know.
― rick james, critical moralist (Hunt3r), Thursday, 13 July 2023 17:57 (nine months ago) link
think the term is mostly used in computer programming
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 July 2023 17:58 (nine months ago) link
xp "...only a minor exaggeration, because not enough people ..."
more clarity-- i don't mean you should always to do it, i don't mean go to town squares who wanna genocide you, obv.
― rick james, critical moralist (Hunt3r), Thursday, 13 July 2023 18:00 (nine months ago) link
Guess bike-shedding is just ostracizing the bigots without actually getting rid of bigoted content?
i was going to have an aside in my original message saying that i don't necessarily think bike-shedding is the most appropriate term but a good shorthand. that's because i DON'T consider these issues and conversations trivial or inconsequential. i think a higher level way to describe what i was going for would be "the meta-conversation about the platform"
― butch wig (diamonddave85), Thursday, 13 July 2023 18:01 (nine months ago) link
or "the meta-conversation about the platform at the expense of the conversation the platform is intended to enable"
― butch wig (diamonddave85), Thursday, 13 July 2023 18:04 (nine months ago) link
the meta conversation about the platform is a funny constant in online places because the owners of the platform do need users to make good posts thats what makes the platform good, so posters while having no official say do actually have power, the meta conversation posts are not good posts so they function as a threat to the platform encouraging admin to acquiesce
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 July 2023 18:08 (nine months ago) link
my praxis? bad skeets to bring the bosses to their knees
― mark s, Thursday, 13 July 2023 18:09 (nine months ago) link
yeah it's that users vs customers right? "i own this community" "no u don't, we're...the community" "i made this community, you are in my company houses and stores" "byyyyyee"
― rick james, critical moralist (Hunt3r), Thursday, 13 July 2023 18:10 (nine months ago) link
its the perfect form of collective action you get to 1. make bad posts 2. win
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 July 2023 18:10 (nine months ago) link
ive been training my whole life for this
― mark s, Thursday, 13 July 2023 18:12 (nine months ago) link
also the poster was somewhat jack-adjacent
― mark s, Thursday, July 13, 2023 9:27 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
can you elaborate on this?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 13 July 2023 18:38 (nine months ago) link
bsky's problem seems to be that the users are leftist shitposters and black twitter refugees, and the owners/mods are TPOT/foocamp libertarian cranks. not a good match.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 13 July 2023 18:39 (nine months ago) link
jack was apparently following them (under a previous and not-yet-offensive screen name), or so i understood
― mark s, Thursday, 13 July 2023 18:42 (nine months ago) link
Sorry vibecamp. Foocamp is for nerds. Vibecamp is for poly libertarian cranks.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 13 July 2023 18:49 (nine months ago) link
I thought bike shedding from context was discovering a flaw in your bike and flinging it onto the pavement, never to use it again.
Happy to see on reading what it actually is that I wasn't even close
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 July 2023 18:58 (nine months ago) link
I'm gonna start incorporating bike-shedding into my therapy speak
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 13 July 2023 19:21 (nine months ago) link
I shred mics and you shed bikes
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Thursday, 13 July 2023 19:22 (nine months ago) link
I wreck mics like my ass wrecks bikes
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 July 2023 19:23 (nine months ago) link
(this thread is owning with off topic banter and i am grateful)(i am also stealing that line).
― rick james, critical moralist (Hunt3r), Thursday, 13 July 2023 21:24 (nine months ago) link
It won’t end.
https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto/pull/1319
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 14 July 2023 00:07 (nine months ago) link
They hate the French (re: retard):
@ferranrego You're completely off base. It has nothing to do with what language you are allowed to use. It's about creating a safe community. Again, as others here have said, whether or not there's another use of the word, it's not commonly used. In English, that word is most commonly used as a pejorative that is abelist and offensive. As Shane commented, I'll ask the same. Why is THIS the hill you choose to die on knowing it is, in fact, a commonly used slur?
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 14 July 2023 00:08 (nine months ago) link
I am fascinated by the Unicode usage in some of these posts:
I just don't believe that this is a serious argument @ferranregoYou're weaponising the idea of cultural / linguistic supremacy but you're also totally cool with the term「 blacklist 」even though someone above pointed out that it's problematic which makes me think that you're kinda full of itYeah it's true 「 negro 」 means 「 black 」 and 「 retardo 」 means 「 delay 」 but [ as far as I know ] 「 Black 」 isn't a slur in any language - and if it was then we could disallow it.「 shabby 」 sounds like「 傻屄 (shǎ bī) 」 in Chinese [ meaning: stupid c- ]It's not「 cultural supremacy 」by any reasonable definition to say that we can also disallow that and other words that may be racial and ableist slurs in other languages too.
You're weaponising the idea of cultural / linguistic supremacy but you're also totally cool with the term「 blacklist 」even though someone above pointed out that it's problematic which makes me think that you're kinda full of it
Yeah it's true 「 negro 」 means 「 black 」 and 「 retardo 」 means 「 delay 」 but [ as far as I know ] 「 Black 」 isn't a slur in any language - and if it was then we could disallow it.
「 shabby 」 sounds like「 傻屄 (shǎ bī) 」 in Chinese [ meaning: stupid c- ]
It's not「 cultural supremacy 」by any reasonable definition to say that we can also disallow that and other words that may be racial and ableist slurs in other languages too.
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 14 July 2023 00:14 (nine months ago) link
in the logs diffing your slurs
― lag∞n, Friday, 14 July 2023 00:15 (nine months ago) link
oh my fucking lord. there are so many levels to this now
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 July 2023 00:35 (nine months ago) link
got tired of reading this thread to hear about Bluesky: Bluesky an' clear: the social media app that will definitely last forever
― rob, Friday, 14 July 2023 13:54 (nine months ago) link
Verified users only make money off each other? What an amazing MLM this is!!!! pic.twitter.com/v3jSwSzDKQ— AMANDA TRAP HOUSE (@noturtlesoup17) July 14, 2023
― lag∞n, Friday, 14 July 2023 15:43 (nine months ago) link
More proof that Blue Checks have zero reading comprehension
As Luke Combs's hit cover of Tracy Chapman's "Fast Car" dominates the country charts, it’s bringing up some complicated emotions in fans & singers who know that Chapman, as a queer Black woman, would have an almost zero chance at that achievement herself: https://t.co/7pCIMW5F0N— Emily Yahr (@EmilyYahr) July 13, 2023
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 July 2023 14:25 (nine months ago) link
smug about it too
― lag∞n, Saturday, 15 July 2023 15:33 (nine months ago) link
ugh this is why it's a good thing I don't look at Twitter anymore, I'm so annoyed by those replies!!
― jaymc, Saturday, 15 July 2023 18:33 (nine months ago) link